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Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
God's word either convicts or condemns...This is the purpose to draw theose He has chosen to Himself through Christ or to condemn those He has passed over so that they have no excuse...
Actually the word is not for condemnation
Jesus is the Living word , and He (the living word) said "He has not come into the world to condemn it" .
Jesus is the Living word , and He (the living word) said "He has not come into the world to condemn it" .
Be systematic, not taking verses out of context...Let's see what kind of doctrine we can make out of this
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...Not every place that the use of the word 'word' is speaking about Christ...Sometime it is simply just word...
Be systematic, not taking verses out of context...Let's see what kind of doctrine we can make out of this
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...Not every place that the use of the word 'word' is speaking about Christ...Sometime it is simply just word...
Richard
The Isaiah verse i quoted you clearly states He accomplishes that which He desires , you said the word is condemning , i disputed that by the very words of Jesus Himself
So we are talking about condemnation and Jesus quite clearly said "He has not come into the world to condemn it (this is not out of context) . I believe the scriptures testify of who Jesus is , who is the Savior of the whole world . Jesus is the Savior not the doctrine of Calvinism or any other ism including Universalism.
TO the OP, this is something that I notriced in Buddhism that has no equivalency in Christianity. In Buddhism, we are taught that we must help others, even if we are an inch from nirvana and to stop and take time to thelp another human being get onto the path of Nirvana, or survive, or exist or whatever, we should be willing to do this in service to others. We should be willing to love humanity so much that we are willing to forgo our own paradise for their sake.
Christianity does not have anything like this. Christians focus on an external savior which does not empower the individual, nor does it encourage human love or charity.
So in the Context of what the OP asked then my answer would be more or less YES because I want my kids to grow and reach paradise, even though I understand that this is a path which they must find in life.
FOrtunately, Hell does not exist, that much we know, or else the scare tactics of catholicism and the boogyman satan could keep humanity in an extremist dark age of unenlightenment.
Be systematic, not taking verses out of context...Let's see what kind of doctrine we can make out of this
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...Not every place that the use of the word 'word' is speaking about Christ...Sometime it is simply just word...
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
I am not sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
"It is beyond a shadow of doubt for whom He was sent; each and every one of us."
Well, on the same note my mom always tries to guilt-trip me, saying that she and my father are doomed to hell because I'm an atheist and that god will punish them for failing to successfully indoctrinate me into their cult. She says that when she and my father are burning in hell next to me, I'll be sorry. Heh...
Your parents are not condemned to hell because you choose not to believe. John 3:16 for who so ever believes in me (Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life. No generation will be held accountable for previous generations. God gave us free will it is up to us individually to believe in Jesus and Gods love for us. We will all be held accountable for everything we have done our own individual sin unless we repent from it. For if you ask Jesus in your heart to take over your life and repent it is remembered no more. This doesn't mean you can keep doing what you are doing pray for forgiveness ask for help to stop the sin from God also supportive friends churches or other groups medical help extra.
In the end, God loves us all and hopes we all love him and come to repentance and ask for forgiveness. I will pray for you as I am sure your mom and dad do. For there will come a day when every knee will bow and tongue confess that god does exist and Jesus is lord of lords and king of kings.
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Say you could rewind time, and make it so your unbelieving son or daughter 'found the light' and got into Heaven instead of you - but it could only happen if you told God you wanted it to happen. You'd suffer in hell for eternity, but either way you'd still be on a different side of the gulf. I bet most people will say 'no' because, they will say, they love God more than their child (and the point of this thread is not to say there's anything wrong with that) and being with the Lord is more important. But, the catch is, if you chose not to go through with it you'd be mentally tormented by the fact your child was in excruciating pain in some 'lake of fire' for ever (God wouldn't wipe away any tears or wipe your memory). Would you still do it? And what's say God gives you a third option, that he just snuffs you out and niether of you would get to Heaven. Would you rather this third option rather than have your own flesh and blood being poked by demons (to use a cartoonish metaphor) and despairing in some spiritual darkness even if you got to go to Heaven?
And what about if we took it further, what about a village of starving African villagers? Would you undergo this punishment so this village of 200 can escape being damned? What about 2,000, 200,000 people? Would anything be worth the sacrifice for you?
Everyone actually faces that decision, everyone who is given a seed and has a child of Christ. Christ is formed in a person, and the person must feed that child the milk of the word until it can eat the meat of the feast days, and people put that child in a corner all their lives and they will be 50 years old still having a child who has never eaten meat.
If the end comes and the child is still a child, then woe unto those with children and weaning children because the child is taken. But then we are shown people who have raised children to eat meat, and they give birth to full grown men as it says,'' God has created a new thing in the earth, a woman will encompass a man.''
A woman{The flesh} will have a full grown man because he was truly born again and he began as a new born child as any birth must begin, and he continued reading the word and studying the feasts until he could eat meat and he was about 30 years old when it happened.''
Being born again means much more than just a simple phrase, an actual birth is taking place and the person is not even aware of this. You have to choose self sacrifice for your baby.
Well, on the same note my mom always tries to guilt-trip me, saying that she and my father are doomed to hell because I'm an atheist and that god will punish them for failing to successfully indoctrinate me into their cult. She says that when she and my father are burning in hell next to me, I'll be sorry. Heh...
Your parents are not condemned to hell because you choose not to believe. John 3:16 for who so ever believes in me (Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life. No generation will be held accountable for previous generations. God gave us free will it is up to us individually to believe in Jesus and Gods love for us. We will all be held accountable for everything we have done our own individual sin unless we repent from it. For if you ask Jesus in your heart to take over your life and repent it is remembered no more. This doesn't mean you can keep doing what you are doing pray for forgiveness ask for help to stop the sin from God also supportive friends churches or other groups medical help extra.
In the end, God loves us all and hopes we all love him and come to repentance and ask for forgiveness. I will pray for you as I am sure your mom and dad do. For there will come a day when every knee will bow and tongue confess that god does exist and Jesus is lord of lords and king of kings.
Say you could rewind time, and make it so your unbelieving son or daughter 'found the light' and got into Heaven instead of you - but it could only happen if you told God you wanted it to happen. You'd suffer in hell for eternity, but either way you'd still be on a different side of the gulf. I bet most people will say 'no' because, they will say, they love God more than their child (and the point of this thread is not to say there's anything wrong with that) and being with the Lord is more important. But, the catch is, if you chose not to go through with it you'd be mentally tormented by the fact your child was in excruciating pain in some 'lake of fire' for ever (God wouldn't wipe away any tears or wipe your memory). Would you still do it? And what's say God gives you a third option, that he just snuffs you out and niether of you would get to Heaven. Would you rather this third option rather than have your own flesh and blood being poked by demons (to use a cartoonish metaphor) and despairing in some spiritual darkness even if you got to go to Heaven?
And what about if we took it further, what about a village of starving African villagers? Would you undergo this punishment so this village of 200 can escape being damned? What about 2,000, 200,000 people? Would anything be worth the sacrifice for you?
When did we get assigned spaces in heaven? I have an assigned parking place at work I wouldn't give up for anything..
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