Population dropoff (Chicago, Oak Lawn, Burbank: section 8, landlords, living)

[APPLEI]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

With all of the gentrification and Mayor Dailey's ever kind act of moving the crime and those types of people to the suburbs, i would say yes. Chicago is primed for a population explosion.

is that where they moved former residents of cabrini green,henry horner homes,stateway gardens etc

i read somewhere that some of the residents were moved to Gary Indiana and St. Louis Mo.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by makossa

It's a bit more of everyone being in denial though. It seems the CPD are experts of sweeping crime stats under the rug giving some a false of security.

OK, this is nonsense. CPD has been very candid about crime in this city, whether the news has been good or bad. You know how we know murders are up 18% over this time last year? Because the CPD told us so, based on their data. They even make very detailed information available to the public about what and where crimes are committed so that anyone who wants to can track every single robbery, every single murder, every single auto theft, etc. Very few large cities have been as transparent about crime in the city as Chicago has. Try to find anything nearly as comprehensive as CPD's CLEAR Map, which is then re-compiled and saved for posterity by Everyblock, for any other major city on Earth.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by APPLEI

i read somewhere that some of the residents were moved to Gary Indiana and St. Louis Mo.

Oh bulls#*t. Maybe some moved there of their own accord. But nobody is moved to any specific place against their free will except prisoners.

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by Rusty_Shackleford

Then why did Lake View, the Near North Side, and Lincoln Park gain population in the 90s? The Near North Side increased by 15% ...
In higher density neighborhoods, gentrification results in less vacant housing and more housing construction.

None of those areas really gentrified, they simply changed usage or continued developing. River North went from an area of businesses, warehouses, and a Red Light district (with a few transient hotels and artist lofts) to a residential area of 20-50 story condos. Lincoln Park was pretty gentrified by 1990, that was just continuing development. Lakeview, other than the western edge, was pretty much gentrified as well. I'm not sure what boundaries you're using for these areas, but certainly all of the Near Northside and Eastern Lincoln Park are open for highrise development, so as property values rose they became profitable to build, increasing the density of those areas. Depending on the eastern border of the zip codes/census tracts you're using for Lakeview the same could be true there.

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by jjbradleynyc

True. Manhattan's peak population was 2.33 million in 1910, and it lost people steadily until it bottomed out in 1980 at 1.428 million. It has been growing steadily and recently more rapidly since, with a 2007 estimate putting the population back up to 1.62 million.
It's interesting to note that Manhattan could hold another 600-700k more people...wow. That is hard to believe.

Keep in mind, that in 1910 a lot of those people were living packed to the gills in tiny, decrepit tenaments that no one in 21st century America would consider suitable for habitation.

[mattywo85]

Chicago will see a steady increase in population, maybe not a boom but I don't think it will decrease.

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by sukwoo

Keep in mind, that in 1910 a lot of those people were living packed to the gills in tiny, decrepit tenaments that no one in 21st century America would consider suitable for habitation.

Exactly - I understand a lot of people like to look at population and density as and indication of how great a city is, but just take a look at the work of Jacob Riis (http://www.authentichistory.com/postcivilwar/riis/contents.html - broken link) to get an idea of how bad life was in many urban areas during the early 20th century.

It's also great to look at for perspective on any immigration debate today - here's a small sample:

"With all his conspicuous faults, the swarthy Italian immigrant has his redeeming traits. He is as honest as he is hot-headed. There are no Italian burglars in the Rogues' Gallery; the ex-brigand toils peacefully with *****xe and shovel on American ground. His boy occasionally shows, as a pick-pocket, the results of his training with the toughs of the Sixth Ward slums. The only criminal business to which the father occasionally lends his hand, outside of murder, is a bunco game, of which his confiding countrymen, returning with their hoard to their native land, are the victims. The women are faithful wives and devoted mothers. Their vivid and picturesque costumes lend a tinge of color to the otherwise dull monotony of the slums they inhabit. The Italian is gay, lighthearted and, if his fur is not stroked the wrong way, inoffensive as a child. "

And this is from someone who was actually standing up for immigrants!

[Drover]

Anyone have any idea why "p-i-c-k-a" is auto-censored on this board? That is bizarre, and produces bizarre outcomes like having "p-i-c-k-a-x-e" come out as "*****xe"...

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by Drover

Try to find anything nearly as comprehensive as CPD's CLEAR Map, which is then re-compiled and saved for posterity by Everyblock, for any other major city on Earth.

Exactly - the CPD is very open with crime stats, there are some other areas they need to work on, but honesty and availability of crime stats is not one of them.

[scottl333]

If Chicago starts using the waste land in South Chicago close to the Indiana border then there can be a huge boost of residents. But since the factories closed the land is considered polluted there has been no move to do that. But there is so much open land down there it is unbelievable. Its hard to believe it is actually part of Chicago. Also, housing is a issue in Chicago. The days of 4 families in a house is over. The city wont allow it anymore. No more tenements for the immigrants like there there was. People living in Chicago now are single or married with maybe one kid. Not 4 or 5 kids anymore.