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Old 05-16-2011, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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"All they are adding is subscribers and they did this to prevent a possible Sprint/T-Mobile merger. The reason was that they would have been the #3 carrier in the US and they didn't want that.Don't fool yourself, they weren't looking to expand, they just felt obligated to do so based on this." - Lancet71

+ subscribers
+ spectrum
+ Revenue

I'm fooled. Why werent they looking to expand?

Why do you consider this an attempt to block a Sprint/T-Mobile merger?

AT&T had years to expand but chose to just cut side deals for roaming instead of investing revenue to improve their network. If you want to do a REAL comparison, out of the big 4 no one can hold a candle to Verizon Wireless when it came to expansion of towers to improve their network. For a company as large as AT&T is or was, their dedication to their customers sucks !
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:01 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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"AT&T had years to expand but chose to just cut side deals for roaming instead of investing revenue to improve their network" - Lancet71

"the carrier made significant improvements in 2009. Bridges said AT&T added about 1,900 new cell sites, more than 100,000 new circuits for backhaul and doubled the number of fiber-served cell sites.
But perhaps the most high-profile improvements were the addition of 850 MHz spectrum in a number of markets, as well as deployment of HSPA 7.2 software at all of AT&T's 3G cell towers nationwide"

Report: AT&T Network Upgrades Pay Off Big Time | Wireless Week

"$19 billion spent in 2010 on new cell towers, preparations for faster LTE and more"

"specifying that AT&T invested $8.2 billion in network improvements in the first six months of the year, adding 600 new cell towers and sites, among other improvements. Average national mobile network speeds in the first six months were up more than 25%, the carrier added."

AT&T boasts of billions spent on network improvements - Computerworld

"The nation's second largest carrier--which plans to spend between $18 billion and $19 billion on capital expenditures in 2010--said that in the first half of the year it added 600 new cell sites, upgraded 925 cell sites to 3G services and deployed more than 6,500 additional radio carriers and 32 Distributed Antenna Systems"

AT&T touts network improvements under hail of criticism - FierceWireless

"AT&T plans the following network improvements in the Baltimore metro area in 2011:"

"Deploying enhanced backhaul connections to approximately 400 cell sites to enable 4G speeds and add capacity to support more mobile traffic, like adding traffic lanes to a highway"

"Installing approximately nine new cell sites to improve network coverage"

"Adding spectrum carriers to around 300 cell sites to support more traffic"

AT&T Building Most Advanced Mobile Broadband Experience in Baltimore, Announces 2011 Network Upgrade Plans - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ATT-Building-Most-Advanced-prnews-891981051.html?x=0 - broken link)


AT&T invested...

+

The benefits from the AT&T/T-Mobile merger will ADD to this.

It's the smart way to invest in a network....
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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"AT&T had years to expand but chose to just cut side deals for roaming instead of investing revenue to improve their network" - Lancet71

"the carrier made significant improvements in 2009. Bridges said AT&T added about 1,900 new cell sites, more than 100,000 new circuits for backhaul and doubled the number of fiber-served cell sites.
But perhaps the most high-profile improvements were the addition of 850 MHz spectrum in a number of markets, as well as deployment of HSPA 7.2 software at all of AT&T's 3G cell towers nationwide"

Report: AT&T Network Upgrades Pay Off Big Time | Wireless Week

"$19 billion spent in 2010 on new cell towers, preparations for faster LTE and more"

"specifying that AT&T invested $8.2 billion in network improvements in the first six months of the year, adding 600 new cell towers and sites, among other improvements. Average national mobile network speeds in the first six months were up more than 25%, the carrier added."

AT&T boasts of billions spent on network improvements - Computerworld

"The nation's second largest carrier--which plans to spend between $18 billion and $19 billion on capital expenditures in 2010--said that in the first half of the year it added 600 new cell sites, upgraded 925 cell sites to 3G services and deployed more than 6,500 additional radio carriers and 32 Distributed Antenna Systems"

AT&T touts network improvements under hail of criticism - FierceWireless

"AT&T plans the following network improvements in the Baltimore metro area in 2011:"

"Deploying enhanced backhaul connections to approximately 400 cell sites to enable 4G speeds and add capacity to support more mobile traffic, like adding traffic lanes to a highway"

"Installing approximately nine new cell sites to improve network coverage"

"Adding spectrum carriers to around 300 cell sites to support more traffic"

AT&T Building Most Advanced Mobile Broadband Experience in Baltimore, Announces 2011 Network Upgrade Plans - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ATT-Building-Most-Advanced-prnews-891981051.html?x=0 - broken link)


AT&T invested...

+

The benefits from the AT&T/T-Mobile merger will ADD to this.

It's the smart way to invest in a network....
Verizon routs AT&T on dropped iPhone calls - Computerworld

You want to tell me about that superior network again?
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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The Associated Press: Customer satisfaction with AT&T, T-Mobile drops
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:53 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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"You want to tell me about that superior network again?" - Lancet71

Sure..

In the same article : Verizon routs AT&T on dropped iPhone calls - Computerworld

It says:

"Verizon is still in the early stages of its iPhone 4 offering to consumers," said Paul Carton, the company's director of research, in a published note.

"It remains to be seen how well the Verizon network performs as the number of Verizon iPhone 4 owners ramps up and inevitably puts more pressure on their system."

At the time of the results, Verizon has had the iPhone for 6+ weeks, while AT&T is coming off a 3+ years with the iPhone.

It says:

"While iPhone owners on AT&T and Verizon are equally pleased with their smartphones -- 80% of the former said they were "very satisfied" with their smartphone, while 82% of the latter said the same"

You tell me why there is only a 2% difference in satisfaction.

AT&T: 80%
Verizon: 82%

Why Lancet?

It says:

"ChangeWave wrapped up the survey of more than 4,000 U.S. consumers on March 28, more than six weeks after Verizon introduced the iPhone to its network."

"The results were in line with reports by cellphone owners in general of a higher dropped call rate on AT&T"

That data was collected by a survey of 4,000 users who were asked to report their own percentage of dropped calls.

ChangeWave did the same survey last year, with 4,000+ smartphone users, and came up with similar results.

However, that same year,

" The "scientifically valid national drive testing", conducted by Global Wireless Solutions Inc. (GWS), compiles wireless performance across 950,000 road miles, covering 400 U.S. markets that represent 88 percent of the country's population"

"The GWS test also found that 98.59 percent of voice calls on AT&T's network were completed without interruption, meaning the second-best dropped call average (behind Verizon by only one-tenth of a percentage point) in the nation."

DailyTech - Report: AT&T Delivers Nation's Fastest Mobile Broadband Network

Which has the greater magnitude to make a bigger impact.

ChangeWave surveys, of 4000+ people, reporting their drop calls
or
Global Wireless solutions, reporting their national study, derived from millions of calls made on 950,000 road miles, covering 400 U.S. markets, representing 88 percent of the population.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Originally Posted by Stephen1110 View Post
"You want to tell me about that superior network again?" - Lancet71

Sure..

In the same article : Verizon routs AT&T on dropped iPhone calls - Computerworld

It says:

"Verizon is still in the early stages of its iPhone 4 offering to consumers," said Paul Carton, the company's director of research, in a published note.

"It remains to be seen how well the Verizon network performs as the number of Verizon iPhone 4 owners ramps up and inevitably puts more pressure on their system."

At the time of the results, Verizon has had the iPhone for 6+ weeks, while AT&T is coming off a 3+ years with the iPhone.

It says:

"While iPhone owners on AT&T and Verizon are equally pleased with their smartphones -- 80% of the former said they were "very satisfied" with their smartphone, while 82% of the latter said the same"

You tell me why there is only a 2% difference in satisfaction.

AT&T: 80%
Verizon: 82%

Why Lancet?

It says:

"ChangeWave wrapped up the survey of more than 4,000 U.S. consumers on March 28, more than six weeks after Verizon introduced the iPhone to its network."

"The results were in line with reports by cellphone owners in general of a higher dropped call rate on AT&T"

That data was collected by a survey of 4,000 users who were asked to report their own percentage of dropped calls.

ChangeWave did the same survey last year, with 4,000+ smartphone users, and came up with similar results.
Just remember, if it's customer satisfaction or dropped calls, AT&T has always come in as inferior to the Verizon network based on customer reviews!
However, that same year,

" The "scientifically valid national drive testing", conducted by Global Wireless Solutions Inc. (GWS), compiles wireless performance across 950,000 road miles, covering 400 U.S. markets that represent 88 percent of the country's population"

"The GWS test also found that 98.59 percent of voice calls on AT&T's network were completed without interruption, meaning the second-best dropped call average (behind Verizon by only one-tenth of a percentage point) in the nation."

DailyTech - Report: AT&T Delivers Nation's Fastest Mobile Broadband Network

Which has the greater magnitude to make a bigger impact.

ChangeWave surveys, of 4000+ people, reporting their drop calls
or
Global Wireless solutions, reporting their national study, derived from millions of calls made on 950,000 road miles, covering 400 U.S. markets, representing 88 percent of the population.
You can say what you want but AT&T keeps coming in behind Verizon in customer satisfaction and in all aspects including dropped calls.

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Old 05-19-2011, 10:40 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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LTE is will dominate the United States, with AT&T and Verizon.


"During a media tour at an AT&T research lab, the carrier demoed its upcoming 4G Long Term Evolution network, which appeared to be significantly faster than rival Verizon, reaching download speeds of 28.87 Mbps and 10.4 Mbps for uploads"

"The lab's LTE download speeds were more than seven times faster than the 3.77 megabits per second rate reached on AT&T's current HSPA network. Uploads over LTE posted an even more impressive improvement, with more than eight times the current speed of 1.21 Mbps over HSPA."

"AT&T engineers noted that the 28.87Mbps data rate is meant to model "real-world situations" for the Foundry lab, rather than the merely theoretical 150 Mbps speeds often demoed by carriers."

AppleInsider | AT&T shows off 'real-world' 28.8 Mbps LTE download speeds

"An LTE-capable iPhone isn’t likely to be unveiled until 2012, but when it does, you may want to sign your contract with AT&T, as early test speed results show that Ma Bell’s might be up to six times faster than Verizon’s."

"So it’s fast, but sharing those speeds with others on a cell tower will bring them down. For comparison, Verizon has promised customers speeds of 5-12 Mbps on the download side and speeds of up 5 Mbps on the upload side."

The iPhone 4G Could Run 6X Faster On AT&T LTE Than Verizon | Cult of Mac
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Old 05-20-2011, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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LTE is will dominate the United States, with AT&T and Verizon.


"During a media tour at an AT&T research lab, the carrier demoed its upcoming 4G Long Term Evolution network, which appeared to be significantly faster than rival Verizon, reaching download speeds of 28.87 Mbps and 10.4 Mbps for uploads"

"The lab's LTE download speeds were more than seven times faster than the 3.77 megabits per second rate reached on AT&T's current HSPA network. Uploads over LTE posted an even more impressive improvement, with more than eight times the current speed of 1.21 Mbps over HSPA."

"AT&T engineers noted that the 28.87Mbps data rate is meant to model "real-world situations" for the Foundry lab, rather than the merely theoretical 150 Mbps speeds often demoed by carriers."

AppleInsider | AT&T shows off 'real-world' 28.8 Mbps LTE download speeds

"An LTE-capable iPhone isn’t likely to be unveiled until 2012, but when it does, you may want to sign your contract with AT&T, as early test speed results show that Ma Bell’s might be up to six times faster than Verizon’s."

"So it’s fast, but sharing those speeds with others on a cell tower will bring them down. For comparison, Verizon has promised customers speeds of 5-12 Mbps on the download side and speeds of up 5 Mbps on the upload side."

The iPhone 4G Could Run 6X Faster On AT&T LTE Than Verizon | Cult of Mac
You shot yourself in the foot. In an AT&T LAB!!! Do you think AT&T would admit inferior results? Also you are talking about findings in a lab and not in the field. Like I said prior, AT&T's towers are miniscule compared to Verizon's and because of this, they have an inferior network. If you actually field tested the 4G LTE devices for both companies, we know who would come out on top and it's not AT&T !!! "Can ya hear me now?"
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:40 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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"Also you are talking about findings in a lab and not in the field" - Lancet71

Read these two again.

"AT&T engineers noted that the 28.87Mbps data rate is meant to model "real-world situations" for the Foundry lab, rather than the merely theoretical 150 Mbps speeds often demoed by carriers."

"So it’s fast, but sharing those speeds with others on a cell tower will bring them down. For comparison, Verizon has promised customers speeds of 5-12 Mbps on the download side and speeds of up 5 Mbps on the upload side."

However,

"AT&T engineers explains that 28.87Mbps was for "real-world situations" while theoretical numbers were 150 Mbps"


"In those test markets, Verizon has achieved peak download speeds of 40 to 50Mbps and peak upload speeds of 20 to 25Mbps. These speeds are only achieved under ideal conditions"

"It notes that its engineers are seeing real-world download speeds of 5 to 12Mbps and upload speeds of 2 to 5Mbps"

Putting Verizon's LTE Speed Claims Into Perspective - mobility Blog

In result,

"AT&T expects to get 'real-world' speeds of around 28 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up. That is over double the speeds that Verizon has promised customers."

iClarified - Apple News - AT&T Demos LTE With 'Real-World' Speeds of 28.8 Mbps


"Like I said prior, AT&T's towers are miniscule compared to Verizon's and because of this, they have an inferior network." - Lancet71

AT&T boasts the most cell sites and the most spectrum of any wireless network and
the largest digital wireless voice and data network in America

AT&T Cell Phone Coverage and ALLOVER network - AT&T BusinessDirect® | Premier Business Center


Inferior network? FUD

AT&T and Verizon are neck to neck.


Hear this,

"The Nation's Fastest. Period."

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Old 05-20-2011, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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"Also you are talking about findings in a lab and not in the field" - Lancet71

Read these two again.

"AT&T engineers noted that the 28.87Mbps data rate is meant to model "real-world situations" for the Foundry lab, rather than the merely theoretical 150 Mbps speeds often demoed by carriers."

"So it’s fast, but sharing those speeds with others on a cell tower will bring them down. For comparison, Verizon has promised customers speeds of 5-12 Mbps on the download side and speeds of up 5 Mbps on the upload side."

However,

"AT&T engineers explains that 28.87Mbps was for "real-world situations" while theoretical numbers were 150 Mbps"


"In those test markets, Verizon has achieved peak download speeds of 40 to 50Mbps and peak upload speeds of 20 to 25Mbps. These speeds are only achieved under ideal conditions"

"It notes that its engineers are seeing real-world download speeds of 5 to 12Mbps and upload speeds of 2 to 5Mbps"

Putting Verizon's LTE Speed Claims Into Perspective - mobility Blog

In result,

"AT&T expects to get 'real-world' speeds of around 28 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up. That is over double the speeds that Verizon has promised customers."

iClarified - Apple News - AT&T Demos LTE With 'Real-World' Speeds of 28.8 Mbps


"Like I said prior, AT&T's towers are miniscule compared to Verizon's and because of this, they have an inferior network." - Lancet71

AT&T boasts the most cell sites and the most spectrum of any wireless network and
the largest digital wireless voice and data network in America

AT&T Cell Phone Coverage and ALLOVER network - AT&T BusinessDirect® | Premier Business Center


Inferior network? FUD

AT&T and Verizon are neck to neck.


Here this,

"The Nation's Fastest. Period."
First off, your mobility blog guy tested it AT HIS DESK. All carriers will tell you that they wont guarantee specific coverage indoors so your LAME link is invalid. Try showing me some legitimate, unbiased, non AT&T owned publications and maybe i'll take notice. Secondly these are ALL hypothesis' so the claims once again are invalid. Once they're truly established and out in the field working, it will be the same result as usual; AT&T will make their misleading, half-truth commercials and Verizon will let their products and services speak for themselves. Verizon will always be a superior company because they will continue to consistently upgrade their network and not occasionally upgrade because of criticism, like ma' bell.
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