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[wp169]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

Your article clearly states that a causative effect of the vaccine on shingles is not established.

Monkeypox is caused by a virus. It is not the skin problems you previously cited. By the way, the conditions in the graphic are reports without proof of causation of any of them.

Monkeypox is a virus which causes skin problems, like shingles.

Paragraph from article I posted:

Introduction: Although the COVID-19 vaccination is deemed safe, exact incidence and nature if adverse effects, particularly dermatological ones, are still unknown. The article is about shingles which causes skin breakouts.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by wp169

Monkeypox is a virus which causes skin problems, like shingles.

Paragraph from article I posted:

Introduction: Although the COVID-19 vaccination is deemed safe, exact incidence and nature if adverse effects, particularly dermatological ones, are still unknown. The article is about shingles which causes skin breakouts.

The fact that blisters happen in different skin conditions does not mean they are related or caused by vaccines.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

Yes, no one cares what's the cause of their disease. Monkeypox is technically a disease, not a virus. We're in the habit of doing circular definitions (defining diseases after the viruses, even though these same diseases can be caused by many other things).

If you're a patient, and develop painful rashes and blisters, do you really care if it's caused by orthopoxviruses or a vaccine? In the end, disease is the same.

No, the diseases are not the same.

Smallpox virus causes the blisters associated with smallpox.

Chickenpox virus causes the blisters associated with chickenpox and shingles.

Monkeypox causes the blisters associated with monkeypox.

[saibot]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

No, the diseases are not the same.

Smallpox virus causes the blisters associated with smallpox.

Chickenpox virus causes the blisters associated with chickenpox and shingles.

Monkeypox causes the blisters associated with monkeypox.

Yesterday on the radio I heard that monkeypox is closely enough related to smallpox that people who have had the smallpox vaccine (i.e. everyone born before 1973) is likely immune or at least resistant to becoming very ill from monkeypox.

[wp169]

After my SIL got the covid vaccine she broke out in hives and went to the ER.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

The fact that blisters happen in different skin conditions does not mean they are related or caused by vaccines.

Very true, Suzy. Earlier, I was reading a report provided elsewhere online and although a bit lengthy, it is very informative. I'll link it here for anyone who wants to read it. Also, there was another article with a photo of a blister on a patient's finger who is infected with the monkeyvirus. The blister is an effect of the new virus, not from vaccinations. Just wanted to state that up front. The article is in Spanish so I couldn't read it but the photo is disturbing.

https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploa...-TTX_Final.pdf

The photo attached to an article in Spanish entitled Madrid confirma 39 casos positivos de viruela del mono y 40 sospechosos.

https://www.efe.com/efe/espana/socie.../10004-4810934Nothing new but we live in a diseased world where animals and humans carry and pass along a lot of sickness and this latest virus and ones in the future are going to take its toll on human life. We can't do much to stop it but maybe changing our ways about how we treat our environment. It's complicated and possibly reached the point where there's nothing we can do now as it's progressed past eliminating these contagions.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

Actually, no.

100 years ago we died of diseases at far higher rates than we do today.

What we have is an epidemic of BigPharma and Disease surveillance agencies (like the CDC) who need to invent and blame pathogens to get more and more $$$. So they go to their shills in mass media, and panic the world over and over again over harmless microbes.

The 3 leading causes of death in this country are Heart Disease, Cancer, and Drugs (whether we go with drug overdoses, complications from tobacco, or harmful drugs prescribed to 'treat' everything under the sun).

I'm confused. You're slamming bigfarma but then say there were more deaths 100 years ago than today. So, which is it? Pharmaceuticals work or is there something else that's led to a decrease in deaths?

Sounds as if you don't like anything about bigpharma and I can't blame you. They have a pill for everything these days. Trouble is, the side effects are worse. The cure just might kill ya.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

Something else: modern engineering. Refrigeration, food packaging, sanitation standards, plumbing (toilets, washing hands) were the big reason most of the diseases that plagued us in the beginning of the 1900s almost disappeared.

BigPharma on the other hand, has just impeded progress. Just about every drug they were pushing in the early 1900s, mid 1900s, and even 1980s have been pulled from the market for being ineffective and harmful. Just about all the drugs being pushed today will be found to be ineffective and/or harmful for their use cases in the next 10 years.

Look, yet another extremist has entered the thread to preach misinformation.

Meanwhile, the actual reason disease is back non-fatally with a flourish is technology, namely airplanes that rarely crash and climate-controlled, enclosed buildings that are inviting to diseases, plus overconfidence in medicine's ability to defeat problems people bring on themselves and each other.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

Circular reasoning. No physician will be able to tell apart monkeypox and smallpox lesions from simple inspection. They will need to test for it.

Of course they have to test to identify the causative virus. Who has said otherwise? That does not mean the lesions are not caused by the respective viruses.

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

Actually, no.


100 years ago we died of diseases at far higher rates than we do today.

What we have is an epidemic of BigPharma and Disease surveillance agencies (like the CDC) who need to invent and blame pathogens to get more and more $$$. So they go to their shills in mass media, and panic the world over and over again over harmless microbes.

The 3 leading causes of death in this country are Heart Disease, Cancer, and Drugs (whether we go with drug overdoses, complications from tobacco, or harmful drugs prescribed to 'treat' everything under the sun).

No, drugs are not the third leading cause of death in the US.

Monkeypox is hardly a "harmless microbe".

Risk of getting it is small. The R0 is less than one, which predicts for control with standard methods of contact tracing, isolation of cases, and quarantine of contacts.

A clear description of the virus and the current cases here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ndemic/629920/

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

Something else: modern engineering. Refrigeration, food packaging, sanitation standards, plumbing (toilets, washing hands) were the big reason most of the diseases that plagued us in the beginning of the 1900s almost disappeared.

BigPharma on the other hand, has just impeded progress. Just about every drug they were pushing in the early 1900s, mid 1900s, and even 1980s have been pulled from the market for being ineffective and harmful. Just about all the drugs being pushed today will be found to be ineffective and/or harmful for their use cases in the next 10 years.

Hygiene helped with some diseases, especially those that are spread through fecal/oral route, but not the respiratory pathogens. Thanks to vaccination, some of those have actually disappeared in the US polio, measles, and rubella.

No, "Just about every drug they were pushing in the early 1900s, mid 1900s, and even 1980" has not "been pulled from the market for being ineffective and harmful." Nor is there evidence that "Just about all the drugs being pushed today will be found to be ineffective and/or harmful for their use cases in the next 10 years."

Originally Posted by PharmasPandoraBox

The only extremist here is you, with your authoritarian and sociopathic recommendations. Putting that aside.

Disease, even with this COVID19 "pandemic" is still not taking nowhere near the lives (as %) it was taking in the 1980s let alone in the 1950s let alone in the 1900s. So it's not 'back.'

However, what is back is paranoia, hypochondria, and obsession over disease which is completely out of proportion to the actual burden. This is primarily driven by companies who get money when you take their vaccines and pills. But putting that aside, even our ancestors did not fret over disease like we do today, yet it killed far more (%) of the population, especially children.

Meanwhile, drugs kill more Americans than COVID19 (overdoses, complications from tobacco, complications and disease from prescribed pharmaceuticals). Especially young Americans.

What do you mean by "disease"? The word covers all sorts of non-infectious conditions.

Our ancestors certainly did fret over disease. There was just nothing that could be done about it. Infectious diseases wiped out whole families at times. The victims were buried (or cremated) and the community carried on.

More recently, parents feared polio.

https://www.history.com/news/polio-fear-post-wwii-era

No, drugs do not kill more people than COVID-19. Overdoses are due to misuse and abuse of drugs, including some obtained illegally. Tobacco is not a pharmaceutical, and prescribed drugs do not result in hundreds of thousands of deaths per year the way COVID-19 has done.

https://www.singlecare.com/blog/news...aRay%2C%201999).

"Every year, 7,000-9,000 Americans die as a result of a medication error (NCBI, 2021)."