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Religion is an organic part of nature. Why would you expect people to act any differently?
Religion is organic? You mean that religion is grown without the use of pesticides, synthetic fertilizers, sewage sludge, genetically modified organisms, or ionizing radiation? Or does it mean that religion is characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms? If the latter, I will agree that religion is derived from people rather than imposed by a god.
That exhausts all the definitions of organic of which I am aware and in all cases, organic is referencing something specific and something physical. I do not know what meaning you meant to convey, but I'm confident that you didn't actually mean "organic."
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Atheists have in common only one thing with certainty....we do not embrace a belief in a deity. Beyond that we are individuals and as such, resist the idea that we have a common cannon among us.
I think what makes "defeating an atheist" frustrating for many is that we simply can't be pigeon-holed. As opposed to what some people think, atheism isn't a belief structure. At least I certainly don't think it is. What Grandstander, TRANSPONDER, phetaroi, etc etc "believe" isn't necessarily what I "believe." I don't even call it "belief" at all. There is nothing to believe.
We don't point to the Ancient Book of Grandstander, Chapter 7, Verse 7-10 to "prove" atheism. In my opinion, atheists are who they are for various reasons. Unlike Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc that will all point to a book as their proof. So, their arguments are always the same. And always point back to an ancient text. Or to a presupposed belief they have.
Atheists simply don't have that. Religion is simply not part of a conversation I have.
Religion is organic? You mean that religion is grown without the use of pesticides, synthetic fertilizers, sewage sludge, genetically modified organisms, or ionizing radiation? Or does it mean that religion is characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms? If the latter, I will agree that religion is derived from people rather than imposed by a god.
That exhausts all the definitions of organic of which I am aware and in all cases, organic is referencing something specific and something physical. I do not know what meaning you meant to convey, but I'm confident that you didn't actually mean "organic."
A) Everything is actually natural, even complex tools made by humans....it was nature which crafted the human and grew the organisms which made tool making possible. (brains and opposable thumbs) To say that a beaver's dam is natural while the Hoover Dam is man made, is an artificial distinction. In that humans are also responsible for creating religions, then those also must be viewed as natural.
It is only when we cross over into the supernatural claims that the problems begin.
B) You are stating that religion is biological? Does that mean you believe that there is some gene which determines a person's belief or lack of the same? Are you arguing that religion is not different from other animal instincts and either you got it or you don't? Are you arguing that if someone is a believer, that means he or she is under the influence of the religion gene and that the non believers are free of this influence?
You may want to drop back ten yards and punt while you think these things through.
What I mean is that there is a LARGE amount of mystery. Human beings, just like giraffes, will never be able to understand that mystery.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere, although how any of us were supposed to get the above from what you had been writing, eludes understanding.
Definitely still a mystery, but we can't be certain that it will never be unraveled by humans, or at least by whatever evolution develops to replace humans.
And of course it is giving into the urge to have an immediate answer which is responsible for religion existing. I don't know, I don't know if I or anyone else will ever know, but I'm not going to pour dogma into the gaps just to have some answer.
Yes--cultures have invented the concept of deities as a convenient and comforting explanation for natural phenomena, since humans are naturally uncomfortable and afraid of the unknown. Which is exactly why I don't trust religion, since we've got science now.
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