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'These are the rules that apply to everything in order for it to exist. Oh by the way! My god is exempt to the rules that must apply to everything.'
That is why all gods must be designer gods, the believer must always be updating characteristics so that it resists any tests of invalidity. And in the end we are always presented with a god which we must accept solely on the believer's say so because it is otherwise untestable.
Faith is not actually a virtue at all, it is a device.
Faith is not actually a virtue at all, it is a device.
Quite so! It has always puzzled me why believers see 'faith' as something to be applauded, something worthy and something that they must strive to achieve and improve when, in fact, it is the most idiotic thing imaginable! Believing something is true when there is no verifiable evidence that it is and in so many cases, much verifiable evidence that it isn't true, defies all logic, reason and common sense.
Quite so! It has always puzzled me why believers see 'faith' as something to be applauded, something worthy and something that they must strive to achieve and improve when, in fact, it is the most idiotic thing imaginable! Believing something is true when there is no verifiable evidence that it is and in so many cases, much verifiable evidence that it isn't true, defies all logic, reason and common sense.
Worse is that this unverifiable belief will be presented by the subscriber as the single most important belief of his or her life, elevating it to "sacred" status and expecting automatic reverence for it as a consequence.
It isn't the sort of thing which should, or probably could be legislated out of existence, so I will respect someone's right to have a religious faith, but I do not wish them to confuse that with a respect for the faith itself.
Worse is that this unverifiable belief will be presented by the subscriber as the single most important belief of his or her life, elevating it to "sacred" status and expecting automatic reverence for it as a consequence.
It isn't the sort of thing which should, or probably could be legislated out of existence, so I will respect someone's right to have a religious faith, but I do not wish them to confuse that with a respect for the faith itself.
This is the crux of a current political argument - too many theists think that respecting their right to believe as they wish means that no one can tell them they're wrong. Um, no.
Worse is that this unverifiable belief will be presented by the subscriber as the single most important belief of his or her life, elevating it to "sacred" status and expecting automatic reverence for it as a consequence.
It isn't the sort of thing which should, or probably could be legislated out of existence, so I will respect someone's right to have a religious faith, but I do not wish them to confuse that with a respect for the faith itself.
Worse is that this unverifiable belief will be presented by the subscriber as the single most important belief of his or her life, elevating it to "sacred" status and expecting automatic reverence for it as a consequence.
It isn't the sort of thing which should, or probably could be legislated out of existence, so I will respect someone's right to have a religious faith, but I do not wish them to confuse that with a respect for the faith itself.
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Originally Posted by jacqueg
This is the crux of a current political argument - too many theists think that respecting their right to believe as they wish means that no one can tell them they're wrong. Um, no.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
A very good way to state it.
Quite so old things! Religion has had it too good for too long. They have demanded (and received) 'respect' for their 'beliefs' for too long and we have had enough of it. Enter... 'Militant Atheist'.
Worse is that this unverifiable belief will be presented by the subscriber as the single most important belief of his or her life, elevating it to "sacred" status and expecting automatic reverence for it as a consequence.
That same reverence is, of course, never applied to faiths other than the one subscribed to by the adherant, even when they are seperated by a miniscule variation of the same faith.
That same reverence is, of course, never applied to faiths other than the one subscribed to by the adherant, even when they are seperated by a miniscule variation of the same faith.
Until an atheist comes along. Then they are all brothers and sisters against the none believer.
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