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Belief in god is not the requirement of religion. It is the understanding, illumination, of the identity of the self with what you call god. Those who understand and experience the truth of that can see that in the teachings of all religions with variations. Buddhism does not accept a self, consciousness. Yet it addresses suffering. Who suffers and knows that he suffers? If the teaching is to detach yourself from your desire, which self does that? The one that desires or the one that knows?
This reminds me of a simple test for cognition. It is a bunch alphabet letters and numbers and one link is demonstrated, connecting the number 1 to A and the patient is asked to do the rest. Some see the pattern immediately and some, otherwise very smart people, fail to see it. They just see multiple numbers and letters.
All that you just wrote has nothing to do with the earlier post which pointed out, once again, that Buddhism does not support the concept of an all-powerful creator god.
Everything is not God, God is in everything. Big difference. Best not to spread fake theories.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
Then stop posting fake theories, Pantheism and Panentheism do exist. We know you live in your own make it up as you go along world, but we do have a Panentheist, MysticPhD, who frequently posts here.
Yes, we have a thread for that. Posts about any form of pantheism should be in that thread.
Everything is not God, God is in everything. Big difference. Best not to spread fake theories.
It's very helpful to know that god was in slavery, lynchings, rape, murder, car jackings, kidnapping, the 9/11 attacks, hurricanes that have killed ten of thousands over the years, the murder of little Black girls in the church during the Civil Rights era, the Holocaust, cancer, deaths due to covid, the Civil War...and all the other things that have ruined the lives of countless millions throughout the years.
You have it backward. Everything is in God. Big difference. The differences are in how they manifest to our senses and instruments, IMO.
That too, yes. Ultimately there is nothing else other than God. There is a beautiful quote from the Gita, but this thread may not be the right one to share it in.
Then stop posting fake theories, Pantheism and Panentheism do exist. We know you live in your own make it up as you go along world, but we do have a Panentheist, MysticPhD, who frequently posts here.
Are you suggesting that religious beliefs are wide-ranging and can’t be distilled to one universal sound bite?
! Seriously! Because you say so? Either a god created everything that exists (which means that god is independent of existence), or there was a non-god existence that created all the gods (gods are a product of existence they did not create), or a god did not create existence, it is existence.
It can only be one of these three options, it can not be all of them. That is why they are logically and mathematically mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
jumping to the erroneous conclusion they are however does demonstrate simplistic reductive incomplete thinking, and a wide swath of ignorance (lack of knowledge, understanding, information) as to why and how they are not mutually exclusive.
and that's OK.
the "either or" dichotomous thinking demonstrated above is the obstacle barrier quicksand which precludes (a) understanding, and (b) rational thought. Because "either or" dichotomous thinking is the flawed premise (and flawed mindset) which quite naturally generates the spawn of flawed conclusion. Dichotomous thinking is itself an irrational mindset of cognitive distortion.
Yes, your usual assertion, we are idiots because you do not understand simple concepts such as this actually is an "either or" position.
That too, yes. Ultimately there is nothing else other than God. There is a beautiful quote from the Gita, but this thread may not be the right one to share it in.
Correct, it is a fair point, thank you for admitting I was correct and you were wrong.
I am not sure whom the above post is directed to. I hope it is understood that Hinduism is not Pantheism, it does not believe everything is God, and I am not referring t Pantheism.
On the other hand God is IN everything, and everything is IN God both have spiritual meaning in Hinduism, so I agree with those statements.
I am not sure whom the above post is directed to. I hope it is understood that Hinduism is not Pantheism, it does not believe everything is God, and I am not referring t Pantheism.
On the other hand God is IN everything, and everything is IN God both have spiritual meaning in Hinduism, so I agree with those statements.
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! Seriously! Because you say so? Either a god created everything that exists (which means that god is independent of existence), or there was a non-god existence that created all the gods (gods are a product of existence they did not create), or a god did not create existence, it is existence.