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"God grants the government the power to rule, which includes capital punishment. (Rom 13:1-4).
It's really that simple. It's not about emotional responses to a crime, or to get revenge. It's justice. That's it. If a crime is heinous enough, the deserved punishment is execution."
So, in your point of view, crucifying Jesus was the right thing for Rome to do.
What an odd position for you to take.
It was God's plan. He used Rome. And in the same way, he used other nations, such as Assyria and Babylon. Again, does that surprise you?
Yes. That's correct. The Creator is free to do what he wants with his creation.
Assuming the creator is all powerful, it is certainly ABLE to do anything it wants. But the (infinite) set of things such a creator COULD do is not identical to the things it OUGHT to do, even sticking just to its own principles. God ought not set a bad example / model behavior it does not want emulated. God ought not cause hurt or harm. God ought not betray or torment or lie or break promises -- any more than you or I should. Also, god ought not violate his own character; if he has perfect integrity and kindness and empathy than his actions would have to, of necessity, and definitionally, reflect that.
I think that you say things like this in an attempt to escape a logical conundrum of your own making.
Assuming the creator is all powerful, it is certainly ABLE to do anything it wants. But the (infinite) set of things such a creator COULD do is not identical to the things it OUGHT to do, even sticking just to its own principles. God ought not set a bad example / model behavior it does not want emulated. God ought not cause hurt or harm. God ought not betray or torment or lie or break promises -- any more than you or I should. Also, god ought not violate his own character; if he has perfect integrity and kindness and empathy than his actions would have to, of necessity, and definitionally, reflect that.
I think that you say things like this in an attempt to escape a logical conundrum of your own making.
I think a good example is all the silliness (and that's putting it politely) involved in supposedly freeing the Israelites from Pharaoh. Water turning to blood, frogs, lice, flies, livestock pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness, and the killing of firstborn children. What nonsense -- and by the way, the all-powerful essentially did those things that didn't work! Heck, god, why didn't just put them to sleep for 3 days so the Israelites could escape. All that drama. Did you have a special deal with Cecil B. DeMille or something?
Assuming the creator is all powerful, it is certainly ABLE to do anything it wants. But the (infinite) set of things such a creator COULD do is not identical to the things it OUGHT to do, even sticking just to its own principles. God ought not set a bad example / model behavior it does not want emulated. God ought not cause hurt or harm. God ought not betray or torment or lie or break promises -- any more than you or I should. Also, god ought not violate his own character; if he has perfect integrity and kindness and empathy than his actions would have to, of necessity, and definitionally, reflect that.
I think that you say things like this in an attempt to escape a logical conundrum of your own making.
it may be a "conundrum" to atheists. clearly it is for the atheists who can't wrap their brains around god.
it is not a "conundrum" for believers. believers don't have a problem with god.
it may be a "conundrum" to atheists. clearly it is for the atheists who can't wrap their brains around god.
it is not a "conundrum" for believers. believers don't have a problem with god.
naturally believers don't have a problem with god...they imagine him to be what they want him to be.
And, from the Roman POV, Jesus' crimes were heinous. Hence crucifixion.
Do you see how that works. It becomes a point of view situation.
Um... no.
Pontius Pilate said Christ was innocent. "I find in him no fault...
"But in fact, after examining him in your presence, I have found no grounds to charge this man with those things you accuse him of.”
Pilate did not want to prosecute Christ, to the point of literally washing his hands of the affair. He sent Jesus back to the Jews to deal with because he could not find any crime committed against Rome.
It is the Jewish leaders who returned again to Pilate and demanded that he execute Jesus. Even after Pilate had sentenced Jesus to death, he still tried to get Christ released but the Jewish crowd chose Barabas instead.
Last edited by Igor Blevin; 03-04-2024 at 07:46 PM..
atheists imagine conundrums for something they say is imaginary.
we don't need woo
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