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Old 03-07-2024, 04:06 PM
 
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and yet y'all don't think alike, don't pray alike, don't attend the same denomination, etc. And you often fight over it
No, we are still human beings. Christians, like Budhists, like everyone else....have differences of opinion.
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Old 03-07-2024, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No, we are still human beings. Christians, like Budhists, like everyone else....have differences of opinion.
And, you're wrong.

See how that works?
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Old 03-07-2024, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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God grants the government the power to rule, which includes capital punishment. (Rom 13:1-4).

It's really that simple. It's not about emotional responses to a crime, or to get revenge. It's justice. That's it. If a crime is heinous enough, the deserved punishment is execution.
I agree. Another issue is that those types of people that are executed often are very dangerous when incarcerated. Who would like to be the guard(s) they attack or other prisoners they can get their hands on?

I believe that people who commit heinous crimes have lost their souls. It isn't like they sell their souls to Satan, but that by their actions they have done so. They are hollow beings, barely human if human anymore at all.

I am more "an eye for an eye" than a "turn the other cheek" person.

Oh, yeah, most "get" Jesus as a selling point when they go before the parole board.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:02 PM
 
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"The power to rule" may simply imply safety of the innocent rather than justice...

"Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord." Justice can be vengeance by another name.
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Old 03-07-2024, 10:25 PM
 
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"The power to rule" may simply imply safety of the innocent rather than justice...

"Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord." Justice can be vengeance by another name.
What is Vengeance is clear. What is justice is not always clear. Perhaps the Lord is saying i know what both are so leave it to me.
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Old 03-09-2024, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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How do you know what Jesus would tell him; so what do you think Jesus would specifically command him to do in that situation if you care to share?
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


I think of Jesus suffering on the cross and I think of the man next to him on his own cross who was converted and saved...

....is that not reformation of a man, making the death penalty moot? Was not the torture and murder or Jesus a wrongful death? There are innocent people who have been condemned. There are people who could be reformed who have been condemned.

If thou shalt not murder, why should we murder through capital punishment?
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Old 03-09-2024, 05:59 AM
 
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


I think of Jesus suffering on the cross and I think of the man next to him on his own cross who was converted and saved...

....is that not reformation of a man, making the death penalty moot? Was not the torture and murder or Jesus a wrongful death? There are innocent people who have been condemned. There are people who could be reformed who have been condemned.

If thou shalt not murder, why should we murder through capital punishment?
Yes to This^^
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Old 03-09-2024, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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Rehabilitation fails in most cases. The recidivism rate is high and always has been. I see the Death Penalty having two purposes. First and foremost, it prevents a heinous criminal from preying on additional victims. Dead men can't do harm. Second, it does work as a deterrent for some, but only if the execution comes swiftly. There is no deterrent in a 30-year appeals process.




Execution is not murder, any more than when a soldier kills an enemy. People don't execute criminals. The STATE executes criminals. The STATE hires people to perform the execution, but it is not like they hand a criminal off to Joe Blow and leave it to him to live or die. The STATE determines if a person should receive the Death Penalty and then follows through with the execution.

That is not murder. Christ was not murdered by some random person. He was executed by Pontius Pilate, who sentenced him to death. The Roman STATE executed Christ.
I don't think we do a good job trying to rehabilitate people as a society we haven't structured a good system for that end....we have structured a good system for locking people up.

Execution is murder. They take a man who is helpless and in chains and then end his life on purpose. It is a form of state sanctioned murder.

Soldiers killing each other is in fact state sanctioned murder, or at best killing in self-defense. I don't begrudge the soldiers themselves who were put in an awful position, but I wish the politicians wouldn't be as pro-war as they are. The US is rarely not at war somewhere when looking at our history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
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Old 03-09-2024, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I don't think we do a good job trying to rehabilitate people as a society we haven't structured a good system for that end....we have structured a good system for locking people up.

Execution is murder. They take a man who is helpless and in chains and then end his life on purpose. It is a form of state sanctioned murder.

Soldiers killing each other is in fact state sanctioned murder, or at best killing in self-defense. I don't begrudge the soldiers themselves who were put in an awful position, but I wish the politicians wouldn't be as pro-war as they are. The US is rarely not at war somewhere when looking at our history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
But that man is guilty.
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Old 03-09-2024, 09:52 AM
 
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I don't think we do a good job trying to rehabilitate people as a society we haven't structured a good system for that end....we have structured a good system for locking people up.

Execution is murder. They take a man who is helpless and in chains and then end his life on purpose. It is a form of state sanctioned murder.

Soldiers killing each other is in fact state sanctioned murder, or at best killing in self-defense. I don't begrudge the soldiers themselves who were put in an awful position, but I wish the politicians wouldn't be as pro-war as they are. The US is rarely not at war somewhere when looking at our history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
The prison system, defence industry and the NRA are corporatized and the politicians are in thrall of all of them. there is too much money to be made with murder and torture. it is a sickness that plagues all of us. many veterans return damaged both physically and mentally. gun violence is often committed by veterans with mental illness, and they get inadequate health services.
Jesus might have to return, with fire and brimstone this time, to fix this.
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