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if a person labels the bible as fiction
then they are demonstrating and indicating their own inability to comprehend what is in the bible, and their own inability to grasp in even the most rudimentary way what the bible addresses.
Amazing piece of circular logic. I'll bet you really think that makes sense.
Well this is a point that we agree upon. I'm just addressing the claim that god isn't obligated to answer prayer or to do anything in particular for anyone; if you're going by scripture, he's made a very long list of commitments.
Glad we agree. Most of your posts make total sense to me. Sorry, your indoctrination misled you so badly about God. I see those "commitments" as arrogant "demands" by humans for God to be qualified to be their God, nothing more.
I do not manipulate God, I cooperate with Him.
This is not circular logic; this is a reasonable relationship.
When Jesus taught to pray he ended with "Thy will be done", not my will be done.
I know for a fact God hears and answers prayer and He teaches me and intervenes on my behalf all the time.
For a fact God knows the future and what's best for each given situation, even though I don't understnd it.
Often I get see the end result which is fantastic.
Some one at odds with God shouldn't be expecting anything from Him.
He obligates Himself to those committed to Him.
I have been involved with healings and casting out demons and changes in weather and other events.
We pray for people thousands of miles away, and God meets their need.
There are world events that are part of God's plan, though I don't understand it. People still have a choice, God won't take that away. People will suffer due to those choices men make, noble to them or not.
Judgment will stand on each man, believing or not. Many religious folk will face this as well.
I will have to give account for the mistakes I've made as well.
Though I have God's forgiveness there are many that I have offended that have not been attended to.
There is plenty of time in eternity to deal with these issues.
Jesus Christ provided the Holy Spirit to teach in His place, those under Jesus Lordship.
Faith based on academics is not a relationship, it's a religion only.
God knows the heart.
I do not manipulate God, I cooperate with Him.
This is not circular logic; this is a reasonable relationship.
When Jesus taught to pray he ended with "Thy will be done", not my will be done.
I know for a fact God hears and answers prayer and He teaches me and intervenes on my behalf all the time.
For a fact God knows the future and what's best for each given situation, even though I don't understnd it.
Often I get see the end result which is fantastic.
Some one at odds with God shouldn't be expecting anything from Him.
He obligates Himself to those committed to Him.
I have been involved with healings and casting out demons and changes in weather and other events.
We pray for people thousands of miles away, and God meets their need.
There are world events that are part of God's plan, though I don't understand it. People still have a choice, God won't take that away. People will suffer due to those choices men make, noble to them or not.
Judgment will stand on each man, believing or not. Many religious folk will face this as well.
I will have to give account for the mistakes I've made as well.
Though I have God's forgiveness there are many that I have offended that have not been attended to.
There is plenty of time in eternity to deal with these issues.
Jesus Christ provided the Holy Spirit to teach in His place, those under Jesus Lordship.
Faith based on academics is not a relationship, it's a religion only.
God knows the heart.
Thomas’s request, to teach them a suggestive form of prayer. Jesus gave this lesson one afternoon in the third week of their sojourn on Mount Gilboa.
2. The Discourse on Prayer
144:2.1 (1618.5) “John indeed taught you a simple form of prayer: ‘O Father, cleanse us from sin, show us your glory, reveal your love, and let your spirit sanctify our hearts forevermore, Amen!’ He taught this prayer that you might have something to teach the multitude. He did not intend that you should use such a set and formal petition as the expression of your own souls in prayer.
144:2.2 (1618.6) “Prayer is entirely a personal and spontaneous expression of the attitude of the soul toward the spirit; prayer should be the communion of sonship and the expression of fellowship. Prayer, when indited by the spirit, leads to co-operative spiritual progress. The ideal prayer is a form of spiritual communion which leads to intelligent worship. True praying is the sincere attitude of reaching heavenward for the attainment of your ideals.
144:2.3 (1619.1) “Prayer is the breath of the soul and should lead you to be persistent in your attempt to ascertain the Father’s will. If any one of you has a neighbor, and you go to him at midnight and say: ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine on a journey has come to see me, and I have nothing to set before him’; and if your neighbor answers, ‘Trouble me not, for the door is now shut and the children and I are in bed; therefore I cannot rise and give you bread,’ you will persist, explaining that your friend hungers, and that you have no food to offer him. I say to you, though your neighbor will not rise and give you bread because he is your friend, yet because of your importunity he will get up and give you as many loaves as you need. If, then, persistence will win favors even from mortal man, how much more will your persistence in the spirit win the bread of life for you from the willing hands of the Father in heaven. Again I say to you: Ask and it shall be given you; seek and you shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you. For every one who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks the door of salvation will be opened.
144:2.4 (1619.2) “Which of you who is a father, if his son asks unwisely, would hesitate to give in accordance with parental wisdom rather than in the terms of the son’s faulty petition? If the child needs a loaf, will you give him a stone just because he unwisely asks for it? If your son needs a fish, will you give him a watersnake just because it may chance to come up in the net with the fish and the child foolishly asks for the serpent? If you, then, being mortal and finite, know how to answer prayer and give good and appropriate gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the spirit and many additional blessings to those who ask him? Men ought always to pray and not become discouraged. https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...d-in-decapolis
So, God apparently didn't seem to hear the prayers of 6 million Jews during the Holocaust, so why does anyone think that God will really grant you the new job you were hoping to get? REALLY? Shouldn't people just say that they were hoping to get the new job rather than try and use God to grant their requests?
Something weird happened when I tried to quote your post.....should I take that as a "sign"?
I'm late to the party but I just had to say something. Prayer is the most absurd waste of time that's ever been. Don't freaking pray, freaking DO!! What did prayer get those millions of Jews? Most of them were probably praying for a swift, pain-free death....they didn't even get that. Which is to be expected. OH, but it's all part of god's grand plan, right? I wish I could say the words I really want to say.
Believers.....ask how you can help, do something, stand for something, be present and be delusion free!!!! Damn I mean, live in the present. Nothing before we were born was guaranteed, and nothing is guaranteed in death either. Just be here, now.
Something weird happened when I tried to quote your post.....should I take that as a "sign"?
I'm late to the party but I just had to say something. Prayer is the most absurd waste of time that's ever been. Don't freaking pray, freaking DO!! What did prayer get those millions of Jews? Most of them were probably praying for a swift, pain-free death....they didn't even get that. Which is to be expected. OH, but it's all part of god's grand plan, right? I wish I could say the words I really want to say.
Believers.....ask how you can help, do something, stand for something, be present and be delusion free!!!! Damn I mean, live in the present. Nothing before we were born was guaranteed, and nothing is guaranteed in death either. Just be here, now.
Thank you!
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