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Old 09-15-2023, 10:13 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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There is no mind distinct from the body. So once the body dies it's lights out.

The mind-body distinction is a last-ditch effort to defend the idea of the soul.
The veracity of this fact is currently up for grabs. This is no longer a given. The question is currently on the frontiers of science. Stay tuned for further developments.
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Old 09-15-2023, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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The veracity of this fact is currently up for grabs. This is no longer a given. The question is currently on the frontiers of science. Stay tuned for further developments.
There are people pulling at this and that thread (e.g., quantum entanglement, dark matter) that seem like there's room for an explanation for the spiritual. But spiritual beings and realms are inherently unexaminable and unevidenceable.

Be careful what you ask for. If the spiritual becomes scientifically accessible, it will be because the things attributed to the gods are actually just natural processes after all. And in short order, the various modern shamans will disavow that and move on to some other area of human ignorance and claim that god is there. It's a loosing battle for them except for the fact that human ignorance is pretty extensive.
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Old 09-16-2023, 10:42 AM
 
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Tell that "life after death is impossible" to the thousands who have gone through NDEs. They've got the edge on all of us.
Death is the permanent cessation of life. So not sure how NDE is proof of life after death since their experience was only near death...

If one is born of the flesh then to them the death of their flesh is the end of life. If one is born of the Spirt, the death of the flesh is just the end of the naysayers.
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Old 09-16-2023, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Death is the permanent cessation of life. So not sure how NDE is proof of life after death since their experience was only near death...

If one is born of the flesh then to them the death of their flesh is the end of life. If one is born of the Spirt, the death of the flesh is just the end of the naysayers.
Great point!
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Old 09-17-2023, 12:21 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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This article is going back to 2012 but it only just now appeared on my online newsfeed. Did anyone see this?

I'm a theoretical physicist, here's why life after death is impossible

It's an age-old question - what happens to your mind and body after you die?

According to one US scientist - not much at all. In a recently resurfaced video from 2012, theoretical physicist Sean Carroll gave a talk on the matter.

The academic - an external professor at the Santa Fe Institute and Homewood Professor of Natural Philosophy at Johns Hopkins University - said that the 'the laws of physics underlying everyday life are completely understood'.

Because of this, once we stop existing as a physical being, Carroll explained, there is no material understanding of how we could continue to live in our world.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...e05220683&ei=7

Your thoughts?
To have such an ego makes me chuckle a bit. No one on earth knows. We are energy. Where does it go? Another dimension? Humans are always discovering things. Science is and has always evolved. As am agnostic I realize we don’t know much really.
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Old 09-17-2023, 02:54 PM
 
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That is their recompense, because they rejected Our signs,
and said, "When we are reduced to bones and broken dust,
should we really be raised up (to be) a new Creation?"
See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth,
has power to create the like of them (anew)?
Only He has decreed a term appointed, of which there is no doubt.
But the unjust refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude.
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Old 09-17-2023, 06:29 PM
 
Location: USA
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That is their recompense, because they rejected Our signs,
and said, "When we are reduced to bones and broken dust,
should we really be raised up (to be) a new Creation?"
See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth,
has power to create the like of them (anew)?
Only He has decreed a term appointed, of which there is no doubt.
But the unjust refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude.
Control c, control v.
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Old 09-17-2023, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Control c, control v.
Or ... just plain control, lol

He's definitely not a Mac user though, or it'd be Option-C, Option-V. And in fundamentalism you aren't given choices or options.
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Old 09-18-2023, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Death is the permanent cessation of life. So not sure how NDE is proof of life after death since their experience was only near death...
Well, "near-death" is a misnomer since they have been shown to be clinically dead, such as in the hospital environment. All the medically tangible signs: flat-line brain waves, etc. They've entered death; just not stayed there permanently. A more useful term should be created and used, like 'temporary death'...

The NDE events show much similarity among people who don't know each other, and haven't read or studied anything about the phenomenon.

Now, the majority of experiences don't point to a confirmation of Jesus or any specific deity; but rather a generalized source of wisdom, connectedness, and immense love. It's much simpler than any religion would try to portray, and points to the basic similarities amongst belief around the world and over time. Instead of differences, it's unity. It is humanity and life that is motivated to separate and divide; work against anything common.

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Old 09-18-2023, 01:42 PM
 
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Well, "near-death" is a misnomer since they have been shown to be clinically dead, such as in the hospital environment. All the medically tangible signs: flat-line brain waves, etc. They've entered death; just not stayed there permanently. A more useful term should be created and used, like 'temporary death'...

The NDE events show much similarity among people who don't know each other, and haven't read or studied anything about the phenomenon.

Now, the majority of experiences don't point to a confirmation of Jesus or any specific deity; but rather a generalized source of wisdom, connectedness, and immense love. It's much simpler than any religion would try to portray, and points to the basic similarities amongst belief around the world and over time. Instead of differences, it's unity. It is humanity and life that is motivated to separate and divide; and work against anything common.
I agree with the bold. I only recognized that the consciousness of God I encountered MATCHED with the "mind of Christ" as described in the narrative about the Cross. Agape love is the key! That is why I found O'Darby's dream about an After-Death communication from Carl Sagan intriguing. Sagan said, "Anyway, it is all about love."
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