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The better analogy is that the living neural network output exists at a higher energy level (faster frequency) than the "living computer and storage unit" where its output is "saved" and used in a lower energy venue (slower frequency environment).
I agree. The open mind that is advocated is too frequently completely ignored. The difficulty of thinking about our thinking and conscious experience (especially when seemingly unconscious) presents logical and empirical limitations that are hard to overcome. Validating what are essentially subjective personal experiences via second-party methods is problematic.
Nay, but they marvel that a warner of their own hath come unto them; and the disbelievers say: This is a strange thing:
When we are dead and have become dust (shall we be brought back again)? That would be a far return! We know that which the earth taketh of them, and with Us is a recording Book.
Nay, but they have denied the truth when it came unto them, therefor they are now in troubled case.
Have they not then observed the sky above them, how We have constructed it and beautified it, and how there are no rifts therein?
And the earth have We spread out, and have flung firm hills therein, and have caused of every lovely kind to grow thereon,
A vision and a reminder for every penitent slave.
And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops,
And lofty date-palms with ranged clusters,
Provision (made) for men; and therewith We quicken a dead land. Even so will be the resurrection of the dead.
Science is experiment based. It is out of capability to go outside of our own space to experiment on existence there.
That is to said, with an assumption that something can exist outside of our space, do we humans have a scientific proposal how can we confirm things through experiments? Our science doesn't have the capability to do so. To put it another way, we can have a scientific conclusion on whether or not there are existence outside of our living space. Spirituality on the other hand, is an ancient (much much older than our science) advocate that such a space outside of our own exists.
Nay, but they marvel that a warner of their own hath come unto them; and the disbelievers say: This is a strange thing:
When we are dead and have become dust (shall we be brought back again)? That would be a far return! We know that which the earth taketh of them, and with Us is a recording Book.
Nay, but they have denied the truth when it came unto them, therefor they are now in troubled case.
Have they not then observed the sky above them, how We have constructed it and beautified it, and how there are no rifts therein?
And the earth have We spread out, and have flung firm hills therein, and have caused of every lovely kind to grow thereon,
A vision and a reminder for every penitent slave.
And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops,
And lofty date-palms with ranged clusters,
Provision (made) for men; and therewith We quicken a dead land. Even so will be the resurrection of the dead.
Science is experiment based. It is out of capability to go outside of our own space to experiment on existence there.
That is to said, with an assumption that something can exist outside of our space, do we humans have a scientific proposal how can we confirm things through experiments? Our science doesn't have the capability to do so. To put it another way, we can have a scientific conclusion on whether or not there are existence outside of our living space. Spirituality on the other hand, is an ancient (much much older than our science) advocate that such a space outside of our own exists.
Yes, science is human investiagtion and analysis of the natural order. The existence of God and a supernatural order are outside the scope of what science can investigate and analyze. We are like goldfish in a bowl speculating about the reality outside the room in which the bowl is located. Some branches of science can provide data that is relevant to the issues of the existence or nonexistence of God and a supernatural order, but there can be no scientific conclusion. The same is largely true of theories like the multiverse, which some physicists have ridiculed as being little more than scientific-sounding alternatives to religion; there can be scientific speculation but no proof of universes outside of ours.
It is, of course, possible that survival isn't supernatural and actually is part of the natural order. In that case, it's possible there actually could be scientific proof of survival. It's possible that there is no god but consciousness survives because idealism or dualism is the reality about the natural order. This is basically the difference between naturalism and materialism; naturalism could accommodate idealism or dualism if it were proven, but materialism could not.
I wouldn't say survival is impossible based on existing scienfific data. I would say existing scientific data are inconclusive - but not the only evidence relevant to the question of survival. Certainly, survival is impossible insofar as the ruling materialistic scientific paradigm is concerned.since that paradigm attempts to explain consciousness solely in neurological terms.
Yes, science is human investiagtion and analysis of the natural order. The existence of God and a supernatural order are outside the scope of what science can investigate and analyze. We are like goldfish in a bowl speculating about the reality outside the room in which the bowl is located. Some branches of science can provide data that is relevant to the issues of the existence or nonexistence of God and a supernatural order, but there can be no scientific conclusion. The same is largely true of theories like the multiverse, which some physicists have ridiculed as being little more than scientific-sounding alternatives to religion; there can be scientific speculation but no proof of universes outside of ours.
I refuse to entertain existence outside the only existence we know of and are part of. Existence IS God, IMO since it is responsible for OUR existence. The natural supernatural distinction is born of human ignorance and superstition ABOUT existence, period. Everything that exists is natural, but we do not know about everything that exists and can only explain less than 5% of the realm that exists at our macro level of "composite" low-energy forms. Perceiving as "composites" the high-energy realm is beyond our current empirical reach, IMO.
This article is going back to 2012 but it only just now appeared on my online newsfeed. Did anyone see this?
I'm a theoretical physicist, here's why life after death is impossible
It's an age-old question - what happens to your mind and body after you die?
According to one US scientist - not much at all. In a recently resurfaced video from 2012, theoretical physicist Sean Carroll gave a talk on the matter.
The academic - an external professor at the Santa Fe Institute and Homewood Professor of Natural Philosophy at Johns Hopkins University - said that the 'the laws of physics underlying everyday life are completely understood'.
Because of this, once we stop existing as a physical being, Carroll explained, there is no material understanding of how we could continue to live in our world.
The laws of physics include the understanding that consciousness is non-local. That could explain the continued existence of consciousness after death. It doesn't explain some of the electro-magnetic phenomena people have observed in connection with "spirit" activity relating to loved ones who have passed away, and such. Maybe if the physicists would turn their attention that that, they could figure it out. Part of the problem is, the physicists refuse to look into a variety of fairly ordinary phenomena.
Or rather, most scientists in the West refuse to look into phenomena like the human energy field. Scientists in Poland and Russia have studied that thoroughly, measured the variations in the strength of the field between one person and another, and so forth. There's an MD who studied the energy field of a Polish healer who practices in the Maryland/DC area. He said his instruments recorded phenomena that lie outside of our current scientific understanding. He said, what he observed is "impossible" according to our scientific knowledge, "and yet, my instruments recorded this" (huge surges in voltage when the healer was doing his work).
I think most "impossible" phenomena are scientific. Our science just hasn't reached that stage of development yet, that would include what is currently considered unusual or "impossible". Going around with deliberate blinders on, and refusing to investigate anomalous phenomena, isn't going to get us any closer to understanding these things.
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I refuse to entertain existence outside the only existence we know of and are part of. Existence IS God, IMO since it is responsible for OUR existence. The natural supernatural distinction is born of human ignorance and superstition ABOUT existence, period. Everything that exists is natural, but we do not know about everything that exists and can only explain less than 5% of the realm that exists at our macro level of "composite" low-energy forms. Perceiving as "composites" the high-energy realm is beyond our current empirical reach, IMO.
Certainly at some level it's all "natural." If Christianity is true, ultimate reality comprises everything from God on down and is in that sense natural. The natural-supernatural distinction is at least useful in discussing "things human science is capable of investigating" (what we call the natural order) and "things human science isn't capable of investigating." That was my point about the difference between naturalism and materialism - naturalism at least can accommodate something like survival if it is natural and not supernatural. I suppose that's why some atheists are able to hold what we might loosely call supernatural beliefs.
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