A skeptical look at Vance (Columbus, Cincinnati: living, cost, moving)

[g555]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

If Republicans win Congress, they're very likely to end Ukraine support altogether. Not just because they now have a love affair with the dictator in Russia, but because Democrats largely backed it. Much of their philosophy now is to simply be contrarian regardless of consequences.

There are still Republicans that support military aid to Ukraine, more or less the Establishment and war hawk Republicans, including Mitch McConnell - who would possibly be Senate Majority Leader again, Tom Cotton, and the "RINO" ones, and those in the middle of RINO and Far Right, like probably Lindsay Graham. You can tell by the ones who voted for aid before, and have at one point, used harsh language against Putin. The conservatives that blame Biden for the war, and never say anything about Putin unless pressed, like Tulsi Gabbard albeit not a Senator, are pro Putin.

From what I can see of the new crop of Republican candidates for Senate from Vance to Blake Masters to the NH candidate, they likely would oppose aid to Ukraine.

With the Democrat Party being so lousy in function, it would be sad if American democracy breaks before Putin's dictatorship of Russia ends.

[sheena12]

A skeptical look at Vance

Hmmm. So, is there another way to look at Vance? He changed his name. His politics. He was a "never Trumper", now he is a MAGA, he converted to Roman Catholicism. His promises to end opioid addiction in Ohio, are at odds with deals that he's made and company he has kept.

While he attended OSU as an undergraduate, in his book "Hillbilly Elegy", he is clearly not a fan of the state of Ohio. His mother was an addict, yet he deals with drug companies when it serves his purpose. Vance likes Big Pharma when they are investing in him.

Most telling for me, Mike DeWine, who I do not always agree with but who is an honest man and appears to have the best interest of Ohio in mind, has endorsed Tim Ryan.

I don't trust Vance as far as I could throw him.

[columbusboy8]

Originally Posted by sheena12

A skeptical look at Vance

Hmmm. So, is there another way to look at Vance? He changed his name. His politics. He was a "never Trumper", now he is a MAGA, he converted to Roman Catholicism. His promises to end opioid addiction in Ohio, are at odds with deals that he's made and company he has kept.

While he attended OSU as an undergraduate, in his book "Hillbilly Elegy", he is clearly not a fan of the state of Ohio. His mother was an addict, yet he deals with drug companies when it serves his purpose. Vance likes Big Pharma when they are investing in him.

Most telling for me, Mike DeWine, who I do not always agree with but who is an honest man and appears to have the best interest of Ohio in mind, has endorsed Tim Ryan.

I don't trust Vance as far as I could throw him.

I don't trust a single Democrat, including Manchin, who treats his fellow West Virginians like they're ignorant and stupid. He'll be voted out next week!

[animalcrazy]

You want to know who J.D. Vance is? Research his involvement in Rumble. I'll never understand this disturbing embrace of Putin on the far right.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by columbusboy8

I don't trust a single Democrat, including Manchin, who treats his fellow West Virginians like they're ignorant and stupid. He'll be voted out next week!

I hoping for the massive RED WAVE myself. I'll never understand why anyone would want to follow a group like the democrat party who enslaved a entire race and then fought to keep slavery the way they did. And are still using them as vote slave, then never give them a thing to help them out after promising it to them. Very sad.

[g555]

Originally Posted by columbusboy8

I don't trust a single Democrat, including Manchin, who treats his fellow West Virginians like they're ignorant and stupid. He'll be voted out next week!

Manchin is not up for re-election this year.

[g555]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Most telling for me, Mike DeWine, who I do not always agree with but who is an honest man and appears to have the best interest of Ohio in mind, has endorsed Tim Ryan.

Where did you read that DeWine endorsed Ryan?

DeWine and Vance were campaigning together:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nd/ar-AA13wvX4

Ryan is fighting an uphill battle in a Red state where the Republican governor is popular and also up for re-election, and to add insult to injury, no support from the Democrat Party. Even Oprah didn't include him in an endorsement list of mainly Democrat candidates. His mistake was voting 100% with Biden and Pelosi this last year, while the Party won't support him back. Georgia is more important to defend. I hate to say this but it kind of looks like the party doesn seem interested in white straight male candidates from the middle of the country, anymore, unless they are very left in view. Not that Party support would help in OH this year though, given that most in OH dislike the way the Democrats are handling Congress and the WH.

Perhaps if he didn't vote for all the bills, he could differentiate himself better from the Party, but can't break off as an alternative Democrat with his voting record.

Also surprised how little Klobuchar is stumping for candidates. She could have stumped for him, and it would help a bit. I see Ted Cruz and Republican Senators all over stumping for Republican candidates, but Democrat Senators are largely absent.

[woxyroxme]

Originally Posted by g555

Where did you read that DeWine endorsed Ryan?

Nowhere.

https://jdvance.com/endorsements/

[EarthBound?]

Thank you ohio for staying strong and staying RED. Ohio, you ROCK!!

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by EarthBound?

Thank you ohio for staying strong and staying RED. Ohio, you ROCK!!

Seems from the results around the rest of the country that Ryan was just a bad candidate. At best, this was a red trickle. A wholly embarrassing outcome for national Republicans that were *so* sure it was going to be a red wave. They completely underestimated anger about the overturing of Roe, and significantly overestimated voters prioritizing inflation, something which Biden and the Dems weren't even responsible for to begin with. Trump also seems to have been a big factor in the losses. Many of his endorsed candidates crapped the bed, and it seems the national electorate may be tiring of the GOP backing lunatics and election deniers. I have to say, that wasn't exactly the outcome I expected, but it sure put a big smile on my face.
Dems may end up not losing either the House or Senate, though the House is less likely, if only by a very small margin. What an incredible outcome for what should have been a GOP slam dunk.

Turnout in blue counties was very low in Ohio, which indicates it's more that the local Democratic Party is terrible, much like they are in some of the other states that GOP did well, such as in Florida. I think Ryan ultimately hurt himself by distancing himself from Biden, but also by trying to act like a moderate Republican instead of a Democrat. Democratic voters want strong, left of center candidates, not wishy-washy conservatives.

That said, even in Ohio, Democrats managed to flip some Republican House seats and won all 5 of the ones that were actually competitive outside of GOP gerrymandering. The entire state overall moved left from 2020 and 2018. This tells me Ohio isn't lost to Dems, they just need better candidates and a much more focused GOTV effort in urban areas, something they have failed to do where Dems in other states are making significant inroads in red areas.

Beyond that, the long-term demographics may be unfavorable to Republicans, despite common perceptions. While Ohio is not a fast-growing state and is still majority white and older by far, what growth it does have are in more Dem-friendly demographics. Red counties in the state were responsible for nearly 88% of the counties that lost population the last decade, adding up to more than 60,000 people leaving those counties. Columbus alone added double that number, and Franklin County added almost 3x it. The vast majority of that growth were non-whites and immigrants. The same is happening in Cincinnati, one of the only other places to be growing in the state. Counties like Delaware are also gradually moving towards the blue side, with Republican margins shrinking just about every election cycle, and it's the fastest-growing county by % in the state. So again, the idea that Ohio is somehow forever lost to Republicans is propaganda, if not outright fantasy. But it will take a more organized effort from the state Dems to overcome the general malaise.