Nov 2022 Moscow UofI student stabbings

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by Clark Fork Fantast

Kohberger claims that on the night of Nov.12-13 he has an alibi which his cellphone record can corroborate: He was driving around looking at the moon and stars.

https://www.krem.com/article/news/cr...c-8cf9ed595fd2

So I looked up the weather around Moscow in the wee hours of the morning on Nov.13, 2022:
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/...h=11&year=2022

Time Weather
12:33 am: Ice fog
12:53 am: Ice fog
1:53 am: Ice fog
2:53 am: Ice fog
3:17 am: Overcast
3:53 am: Ice fog
4:53 am: Overcast

Great weather for stargazing, right? Driving around for hours in ice fog/overcast? In case he says he was nowhere near Moscow, but driving around south of Pullman--does that make a difference?
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/...h=11&year=2022

Nope, same weather.

Excellent point. He has absolutely zero defense.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by banjomike

The 2 Daybell trials have cost the state $3.6 Million so far over their 3-year time span.

And the Kohberger case has also cost Idaho $3.6 Million in far less time. This could be Idaho's most expensive criminal trial ever, I suspect, before it's all over.

Just wait for the bills for the appeals that are going to keep him alive for the next 30 - 40 years come in.

It could all be ended today by simply allowing in to plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of Life Without Parole. It makes me happy I live in a state that has done away with this nonsense.

[banjomike]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Just wait for the bills for the appeals that are going to keep him alive for the next 30 - 40 years come in.

It could all be ended today by simply allowing in to plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of Life Without Parole. It makes me happy I live in a state that has done away with this nonsense.

I guess we all will have to wait and see what transpires in court. I tend to doubt the judge will allow a guilty plea that takes execution off the table, but I could be wrong.

I can't say anything about the costs of appeals, but if he's found guilty, he won't be spending that much time before execution. it won't come fast, but it won't take 30-40 years to happen.

Kohberger would be Idaho's 3rd multiple murderer in recent history if he's found guilty.
One was executed in 20 years after all his appeals ran out, and the other died from cancer while awaiting execution after about 12-15 years.

I would have to check the time frame to be certain of the second guy, but his cancer got him much sooner than the death sentence would have. It's not unusual for a single murderer to wait 30 years or more, but the multiple murderers executions always take much less time.

Right now, Chad Daybell is being tried, and he's facing the death penalty if convicted as another multiple murderer. I think it's possible Idaho may eventually have more than one execution in a year's time, something that hasn't happened for a very, very long time.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by banjomike

I guess we all will have to wait and see what transpires in court. I tend to doubt the judge will allow a guilty plea that takes execution off the table, but I could be wrong.

I can't say anything about the costs of appeals, but if he's found guilty, he won't be spending that much time before execution. it won't come fast, but it won't take 30-40 years to happen.

Kohberger would be Idaho's 3rd multiple murderer in recent history if he's found guilty.
One was executed in 20 years after all his appeals ran out, and the other died from cancer while awaiting execution after about 12-15 years.

I would have to check the time frame to be certain of the second guy, but his cancer got him much sooner than the death sentence would have. It's not unusual for a single murderer to wait 30 years or more, but the multiple murderers executions always take much less time.

Right now, Chad Daybell is being tried, and he's facing the death penalty if convicted as another multiple murderer. I think it's possible Idaho may eventually have more than one execution in a year's time, something that hasn't happened for a very, very long time.

Actually 24 years I believe. He was arrested in 1987, and executed 2011. So Kohberger's likely execution date will be around 2046. And taxpayers will be paying for him all that time.

All Kohberger's lawyers are doing is establishing as many possible appeals as possible, to keep him alive as long as possible. If they do their job good enough, he might die of old age before he is executed.

[banjomike]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Actually 24 years I believe. He was arrested in 1987, and executed 2011. So Kohberger's likely execution date will be around 2046. And taxpayers will be paying for him all that time.

All Kohberger's lawyers are doing is establishing as many possible appeals as possible, to keep him alive as long as possible. If they do their job good enough, he might die of old age before he is executed.

That's sure a possibility.
Kohberger only has one lawyer, but she's reported to be the best criminal defense attorney in the state.

As I recall, she was also drafted by the Atty. General to do the job because Idaho has a law that demands that a death sentence charge on a person requires a lawyer who's qualified by the State Bar to represent them in court.
The lawyer has to pass a special examination that concerns all the legal complications of a death sentence. This exam is optional to the state Bar Exam, and isn't required to obtain a legal license to practice by the Bar.

So this law has made the death sentence a legal specialty in Idaho, and there are only a tiny group of these specialists in the state. When Kohberger requested a public defender, there were none of this group available, so his lawyer was drafted for the job.

The specialty is not a full-time deal for any of them; they all normally take on and conduct typical legal business. And usually, not all of them are busy defending death sentence cases at once.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by banjomike

That's sure a possibility.
Kohberger only has one lawyer, but she's reported to be the best criminal defense attorney in the state.

As I recall, she was also drafted by the Atty. General to do the job because Idaho has a law that demands that a death sentence charge on a person requires a lawyer who's qualified by the State Bar to represent them in court.
The lawyer has to pass a special examination that concerns all the legal complications of a death sentence. This exam is optional to the state Bar Exam, and isn't required to obtain a legal license to practice by the Bar.

So this law has made the death sentence a legal specialty in Idaho, and there are only a tiny group of these specialists in the state. When Kohberger requested a public defender, there were none of this group available, so his lawyer was drafted for the job.

The specialty is not a full-time deal for any of them; they all normally take on and conduct typical legal business. And usually, not all of them are busy defending death sentence cases at once.

I believe there have been a total of three different people sitting with him at the defense table. Though I'm not sure if they are lawyers or paralegals. Regardless, his lawyer Anne Taylor has referred to it as the defense team. So she has a lot of help, and they are all being paid by taxpayers, and they all have at least the next year to prepare. I can guarantee you they are not working on a defense to get him acquitted. They know that's not going to happen. They are working on a list of appeals and coming up with plans to set those appeals in motion at the appropriate times. That's what death penalty cases are about, appeals, endless appeals.

[idahocougar]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

I believe there have been a total of three different people sitting with him at the defense table. Though I'm not sure if they are lawyers or paralegals.

I believe the lawyer would have to ask the judge if one or more paralegals could sit at the defense table. That's why there's a "bar" between the audience and the parties' tables -- unless you're a party, you have to pass the bar in order to pass the bar. But such a request is probably typically granted.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by idahocougar

I believe the lawyer would have to ask the judge if one or more paralegals could sit at the defense table. That's why there's a "bar" between the audience and the parties' tables -- unless you're a party, you have to pass the bar in order to pass the bar. But such a request is probably typically granted.

I believe anybody on the defense team can sit at the defense table. Sometimes they will have four or more people sitting around the defendant.

[idahocougar]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

I believe anybody on the defense team can sit at the defense table. Sometimes they will have four or more people sitting around the defendant.

I think you're right -- if they're on the defense team. Beyond that -- a relative for example -- would be at the discretion of the judge.