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Old 10-07-2017, 09:19 AM
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Location: Tennessee
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Hmm, this could be an awesome stat to look for actually. You may be right. I looked at Chicago, Albany and Pittsburgh's Top 25 coldest years and Top 25 least snowy yrs. None had a match.
Of course not. Lack of snow is almost always associated with above normal temps. (there are exceptions, but that gets complicated fast)
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So while its a normal pattern to happen within a given winter (Extremely Cold and Dry), the winter as a whole is not common?
I'm not sure what you are asking. Certainly there can be very cold temps with no snow, but for averages, climate data, lower than normal is almost always directly connected to more snow (even when there is less precip). This is of course regional, some areas the amount of precip is directly connected to snow because it is almost always going to snow when there is any precip.

But for areas that temperature is the main factor for snow, (not precip amounts), colder than normal is almost always directly connected to more snow.

Here is an expert opinion stating this as fact.
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In almost all regions of the United States, temperature during November–March is more highly correlated than precipitation to the occurrence of extreme snowfall years.
Trends in Twentieth-Century U.S. Extreme Snowfall Seasons

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/871...d3087fd0cd.pdf

I've expressed my annoyance before about the misconception that "it snows more when it's warmer", which is absurd.
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:27 AM
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Location: Tennessee
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However... Warmest and Snowiest winters are more common to find. For here most recent is


2005 24th warmest while 8th snowiest
2013 13th warmest while 2nd snowiest.
2017 4th warmest while 17th snowiest.
Are saying Chicago shows this? What region is that about?
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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I'm not sure what you are asking. Certainly there can be very cold temps with no snow, but for averages, climate data, lower than normal is almost always directly connected to more snow (even when there is less precip).
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Wasnt a question directly, more a curiosity on my part. While there are patterns we get throughout the winter with record cold air and no precip, as you said, climate average wise that is hard to find. Fasinating.

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colder than normal is almost always directly connected to more snow.
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Makes sense since snow on ground acts like a freezer preventing surface from warming up. Also reflects sunlight back out so in turn we can get a lot of below normal days. But... pattern has to support it so its not all just because of the snow.


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Are saying Chicago shows this? What region is that about?
Here. My area. (using the coast Bridgeport). I think Hartford the same but would have to check.
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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Are saying Chicago shows this? What region is that about?
Not true here.














But big blizzards can happen during relatively mild winters too. Like that of 98-99'

Those blizzards in March, 1930, 31', 70' and Dec 1929 had all below normal temps

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Old 10-09-2017, 05:52 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/s...28688235941888
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Honestly I would prefer 25F with snow over 35F with cold rain. 30s with cold rain is the most disgusting weather ever. Rain is pretty nasty under 60 degrees, rain feels the best when it's warm out
I know I'm in the minority for actually liking 35 F/2 C with rain. I find it cozy. Plus it doesn't bring life to a halt unless there's icy conditions.

Though I would prefer to have snowcover through the majority of winter, I don't mind if winters are interspersed with some cold rainy days, as long as the snowpack is restored.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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I know I'm in the minority for actually liking 35 F/2 C with rain. I find it cozy. Plus it doesn't bring life to a halt unless there's icy conditions.

Though I would prefer to have snowcover through the majority of winter, I don't mind if winters are interspersed with some cold rainy days, as long as the snowpack is restored.
I don't mind that kind of weather sometimes in the winter, but I'd hate it if it were frequent.
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/true_weather/sta...32642233622529
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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right on the line of course
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Read the comments under this tweet. They ripped into them for posting this.

The "Experts" they mention are the Farmers Almanac!

https://twitter.com/WCVB/status/917797144463118336
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