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I really have to disagree, as I always did with that idea.
Quintessential oceanic climates should NOT have high diurnal ranges in the first place. That's why they're "oceanic" - Meaning, their temperatures are moderated by the ocean and, as such, they would hardly see extremes between night and day. Constant 31C/11C conditions are more characteristic of a subtropical highland climate Cwb (think, Johannesburg), if not "true" subtropical (Cfa) or oceanic climates (Cfb). Heck, you can even argue that they have a continental influence. But I wouldn't go there.
P.S. If Albury is Cfb, does this mean that it has more in common with Glasgow (Cfb) than with Sydney (Cfa)? I thought you found this ridiculous yourself, remember?
But we can clearly see that here in Southern Hemisphere we have cooler summer temperatures compared to Northern Hemisphere, it is the effect of the cold Southern ocean.
I really have to disagree, as I always did with that idea.
Quintessential oceanic climates should NOT have high diurnal ranges in the first place. That's why they're "oceanic" - Meaning, their temperatures are moderated by the ocean and, as such, they would hardly see extremes between night and day. Constant 31C/11C conditions are more characteristic of a subtropical highland climate Cwb (think, Johannesburg), if not "true" subtropical (Cfa) or oceanic climates (Cfb). Heck, you can even argue that they have a continental influence. But I wouldn't go there.
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P.S. If Albury is Cfb, does this mean that it has more in common with Glasgow (Cfb) than with Sydney (Cfa)? I thought you found this ridiculous yourself, remember?
High diurnal range isn't actually a feature of true subtropical climates, only of ones with an Oceanic influence ( like Shepparton) or ones where aridity or altitude is the dominant influence ( Johannesburg)
True subtropical climates feature relatively stable day to day maximum temperature, and consistency of night temperatures, even if they are cooler- Shepparton has neither, but can instead see summer maximums ranging from mid 40s C, to mid/high teens C and minimums ranging from mid 20s C to 7C. Shepparton's. colder summer temperatures have nothing to do with continental influence, and everything to do with oceanic influence.
I only see classification as a description of what causes a particular climate, not how a climate feels, so see no contradiction with your Albury/Glasgow/Sydney example.
Going over July 2014 now and thinking about how crazy it was that Kvikkjokk in the highland part of Lapland managed a 25.4C avg high for that month. North of the Arctic Circle and not far away from the moderating North Atlantic that normally tempers summer heat there. What a crazy hinterland and warm-water effect it was up there that summer... it was warm in Örebro too but only a 26.0C avg high at the airport (although definitely more like 26.3 in the urban area).
It does kind of make Fairbanks' impressive 25.7C avg high from June 2013 to pale into insignificance given that Fairbanks is more southerly and inland!
The average high in Örebro, Sweden (at 59N) was the same as here in July 2014?
We had a total fail of a summer that year. No monthly average highs above 80*F, quite a few days in the 60s/low 70s in all three summer months, and a warmest temperature for the year at only 89*F. We really got gypped that year.
Going over July 2014 now and thinking about how crazy it was that Kvikkjokk in the highland part of Lapland managed a 25.4C avg high for that month. North of the Arctic Circle and not far away from the moderating North Atlantic that normally tempers summer heat there. What a crazy hinterland and warm-water effect it was up there that summer... it was warm in Örebro too but only a 26.0C avg high at the airport (although definitely more like 26.3 in the urban area).
It does kind of make Fairbanks' impressive 25.7C avg high from June 2013 to pale into insignificance given that Fairbanks is more southerly and inland!
Seems Kvikkjokk is some 330 m asl? That's impressive.
On the Norwegian side of the mountain range and even closer to the North Atlantic, Steinkjer (64 N) had avg high 27.2C, same as Oslo-Bygdøy.
At Laksfors (almost 66 N) avg high 26.6C
High diurnal range isn't actually a feature of true subtropical climates, only of ones with an Oceanic influence ( like Shepparton) or ones where aridity or altitude is the dominant influence ( Johannesburg)
High diurnal range isn't actually a feature of true subtropical climates, only of ones with an Oceanic influence ( like Shepparton) or ones where aridity or altitude is the dominant influence ( Johannesburg)
Wait, I didn't say anything about true subtropical climates only have high diurnal ranges. I meant that a high diurnal range isn't a feature of an oceanic climate. Just that.
I still don't see how an "oceanic influence" would give a place colder nights when the sea actually moderates and "compacts" the temperature range. I thought that this a commonly known thing?
If the ocean makes climates have cold nights, then why are Sydney, Wollongong and Newcastle relatively warm at night? At least compared to the inland cities of the same latitude (Wagga Wagga, Goulburn, Albury). You got to see that their location and elevation have a big determining factor here.
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True subtropical climates feature relatively stable day to day maximum temperature, and consistency of night temperatures, even if they are cooler- Shepparton has neither, but can instead see summer maximums ranging from mid 40s C, to mid/high teens C and minimums ranging from mid 20s C to 7C. Shepparton's. colder summer temperatures have nothing to do with continental influence, and everything to do with oceanic influence.
You're right. But even true oceanic climates shouldn't be so contrasting between their day and night times. The only difference is that an oceanic climate has cooler or lower temperature ranges. So it should be seeing temps between 22C/14C in the warm months. NOT 28C/12C. That temperature range there is hardly oceanic. It's more "highlandic" or continental, especially when it's registered 500km inland.
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If the ocean makes climates have cold nights, then why are Sydney, Wollongong and Newcastle relatively warm at night? At least compared to the inland cities of the same latitude (Wagga Wagga, Goulburn, Albury). You got to see that their location and elevation have a big determining factor here.
Sydney actual sea temperature isnt all that "cool".
Seems Kvikkjokk is some 330 m asl? That's impressive.
On the Norwegian side of the mountain range and even closer to the North Atlantic, Steinkjer (64 N) had avg high 27.2C, same as Oslo-Bygdøy.
At Laksfors (almost 66 N) avg high 26.6C
Far north, Narvik had 24.7C as avg high.
Trondheim (Lade) 25.6C.
When will we see a month like that again?
Steinkjer at 64N had 27.2ºC as average in July of 2014? wow that's really impressive
It was the warmest July on record or they had warmer?
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wow that's really impressive
