Suburbanites, if the city fixed their issues, would you move? (area, electric)
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Because this debate is between living in the city limits or outside the city limits. I agree there are suburban looking neigborhoods inside the city, but people still choose to live outside the city limits anyway.
They aren't "suburban looking." Theyare suburban. Nothing about incorporation as a city government changes the physical form and function of a suburb.
If the debate is about being inside our outside of city limits, it stops being about suburbs vs. urban environments entirely, because your argument breaks down--most of the folks here who simply adore suburbs live inside city limits. Are they "urbanites" simply because they live in city limits?
They aren't "suburban looking." Theyare suburban. Nothing about incorporation as a city government changes the physical form and function of a suburb.
If the debate is about being inside our outside of city limits, it stops being about suburbs vs. urban environments entirely, because your argument breaks down--most of the folks here who simply adore suburbs live inside city limits. Are they "urbanites" simply because they live in city limits?
This debate is based of people who left the city and moved to a suburb outside the city. There are people who left the city because of whatever issues they had with the city. If you still live within the city limits, you never left the city then. I don't care whether a neighborhood inside the city looks suburban or urban, it is still within the city limits.
They aren't "suburban looking." Theyare suburban. Nothing about incorporation as a city government changes the physical form and function of a suburb.
If the debate is about being inside our outside of city limits, it stops being about suburbs vs. urban environments entirely, because your argument breaks down--most of the folks here who simply adore suburbs live inside city limits. Are they "urbanites" simply because they live in city limits?
I would like to see a definition from some sort of reputable source that supports what you are saying. We can't even discuss "streetcar suburbs", "inner ring" suburbs, and the like if every darn thing an urbanist doesn't like can be called a suburb.
most of the folks here who simply adore suburbs live inside city limits.
Are you sure of that? I not only don't live in DC, I don't live in a city of any sort. The HOA I live in never bothered to incorporate, even though we have more residents than many cities, and we also have a fair amount of density.
I would like to see a definition from some sort of reputable source that supports what you are saying. We can't even discuss "streetcar suburbs", "inner ring" suburbs, and the like if every darn thing an urbanist doesn't like can be called a suburb.
Well, unless you believe that annexation to a city will suddenly create more apartments and dense commercial development, I don't see how becoming part of the city will change the built form or density of a neighborhood. Most of the urbanists here like streetcar and inner ring suburbs.
If I moved to a place, I would pay attention to how it was built up, how dense it was, and of course how connected by roads or transit it is to other places I want to be (such as job centers). I wouldn't pay much attention to city limits. But for whatever reason the OP does (probably schools or taxes). So let him use the definition he chooses for this thread.
Well, unless you believe that annexation to a city will suddenly create more apartments and dense commercial development, I don't see how becoming part of the city will change the built form or density of a neighborhood. Most of the urbanists here like streetcar and inner ring suburbs.
If I moved to a place, I would pay attention to how it was built up, how dense it was, and of course how connected by roads or transit it is to other places I want to be (such as job centers). I wouldn't pay much attention to city limits. But for whatever reason the OP does (probably schools or taxes). So let him use the definition he chooses for this thread.
So they say. But just what IS a streetcar and/or inner ring suburb? Does not "inner ring" not imply a ring aroundthe city? Does not "streetcar" imply (as we have been schooled on this forum) as far out as the streetcar ran? As someone put it, "ride until you qualify".
I think annexation is an irrelevant issue. However, most "inner ring" suburbs don't look much if any different from the city across the street. Annexation may change the zoning code for the annexed area, so that it could become more dense.
Are we supposed to assume a different defintion of suburb depending on who starts the thread, now?
So they say. But just what IS a streetcar and/or inner ring suburb? Does not "inner ring" not imply a ring aroundthe city? Does not "streetcar" imply (as we have been schooled on this forum) as far out as the streetcar ran? As someone put it, "ride until you qualify".
The reason I define the city and suburbs the way that I do is because if you try to include suburbs that are technically in the city, than you never left the city. I'm asking people who left the city if they would move back if the city fixed their issues. It wouldn't make any sense to include people who live in a suburban enviroment which is inside the city limits because they are technically in the city. A poster from another thread mentioned that urbanist or people who live inside the city put blame on the suburbs as to why the major cities were declining. People were leaving the city to move to suburbs outside the city because of issues that were coming up in the city, like crime, public schools, government, or whatever. I realize these issues are not exclusive to the city and can happen in the suburbs. For the purposes of my question, I'm asking why people who actually left the city limits if they would move back to the city if the city fixed whatever issues drove them out the city.
Basically, it's useless, Katiana. One person thinks the streetcar suburbs are acceptable because once upon a time, a century ago, they used electric streetcars to move people.
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