Houston vs. Dallas (Hart: outage, live, prices)

[feufoma]

Yes, the Houston metro is more important than other Texas metros. Frankly, the nation would grind to a halt if the petro industrial complex in and Houston was compromised. Fact.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by feufoma

Yes, the Houston metro is more important than other Texas metros. Frankly, the nation would grind to a halt if the petro industrial complex in and Houston was compromised. Fact.

Houston is not the only artery into the U.S.....Get real.

[majicdonjuan]

Originally Posted by feufoma

Yes, the Houston metro is more important than other Texas metros. Frankly, the nation would grind to a halt if the petro industrial complex in and Houston was compromised. Fact.

Frankly, he's correct. Think about it. When one refinery anywhere in the country has unexpected outages, gasoline prices at the pump go up as supplies tighten.

Greater Houston has about a quarter of the nation's refining capacity. If all of that capacity were just to disappear overnight, we as a nation would be royally screwed.

DFW, by comparison, is a transportation and logistics hub. If it disappeared overnight our lives would be made a bit harder primarily due to longer and less efficient supply chains. But in terms of catastrophic disruption, that's not even close - the US, albeit wounded, but be fine.

By this hypothetical measure (since it actually won't happen), I don't think there could be any question which of the two metros is more important.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by majicdonjuan

Frankly, he's correct. Think about it. When one refinery anywhere in the country has unexpected outages, gasoline prices at the pump go up as supplies tighten.

Greater Houston has about a quarter of the nation's refining capacity. If all of that capacity were just to disappear overnight, we as a nation would be royally screwed.

DFW, by comparison, is a transportation and logistics hub. If it disappeared overnight our lives would be made a bit harder primarily due to longer and less efficient supply chains. But in terms of catastrophic disruption, that's not even close - the US, albeit wounded, but be fine.

By this hypothetical measure (since it actually won't happen), I don't think there could be any question which of the two metros is more important.

Houston is too.

The Port of Houston transports goods to & from other countries. Its not just oil either...Volkswagon & Audi imports all of their vehicles straight from Germany through the port.

[majicdonjuan]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Houston is too.

The Port of Houston transports goods to & from other countries. Its not just oil either...Volkswagon & Audi imports all of their vehicles straight from Germany through the port.

Fair enough. Houston is a transportation hub as well, but DFW plays a much larger role from the land and air side, while Houston is preeminent on the maritime side.

Losing DFW would deal a huge blow to national flows of transportation moreso than Houston because while it would be difficult to quickly replace Houston's refinery complexes, the nation does have other major seaports that could pick up a lot of the slack, at least in the short-term.

There is no way to easily replace what's arguably (Chicago) the nation's largest inland transportation hub.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by majicdonjuan

Fair enough. Houston is a transportation hub as well, but DFW plays a much larger role from the land and air side, while Houston is preeminent on the maritime side.

Losing DFW would deal a huge blow to national flows of transportation moreso than Houston because while it would be difficult to quickly replace Houston's refinery complexes, the nation does have other major seaports that could pick up a lot of the slack, at least in the short-term.

There is no way to easily replace what's arguably (Chicago) the nation's largest inland transportation hub.

And the nation also has Kansas City and St. Louis.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by majicdonjuan

Fair enough. Houston is a transportation hub as well, but DFW plays a much larger role from the land and air side, while Houston is preeminent on the maritime side.

Losing DFW would deal a huge blow to national flows of transportation moreso than Houston because while it would be difficult to quickly replace Houston's refinery complexes, the nation does have other major seaports that could pick up a lot of the slack, at least in the short-term.

There is no way to easily replace what's arguably (Chicago) the nation's largest inland transportation hub.

I agree, but that has more to do with D/FW's more centralized, inland location than Houston.

Houston is geographically slightly less centalized than D/FW & is on the coast where it excels as THE largest seaport in the nation (foreign tonage) & 2nd largest domestically.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

I agree, but that has more to do with D/FW's more centralized, inland location than Houston.

Houston is geographically slightly less centalized than D/FW & is on the coast where it excels as THE largest seaport in the nation (foreign tonage) & 2nd largest domestically.

And Houston's port has nothing to do with geography???

Its the same thing exactly. DFW is the logistics center because of geography and Houston is a huge port because of geography. Are you trying to make it something different than it is?

[diablo234]

Originally Posted by majicdonjuan

Losing DFW would deal a huge blow to national flows of transportation moreso than Houston because while it would be difficult to quickly replace Houston's refinery complexes, the nation does have other major seaports that could pick up a lot of the slack, at least in the short-term.

Not really given that 25% of the nations refining capacity is in the Houston area with another 50% scattered along the Gulf Coast from Corpus Christi all the way through Beaumont, Lake Charles, and New Orleans. Take all of those out and the US economy will take an extremely heavy beating because fuel imports/exports will be severely constrained.

When Katrina hit New Orleans for example, there were fuel shortages and spikes all across the Southeastern US because most of the oil/gas supply comes from refineries in Texas/Louisiana.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by diablo234

Not really given that 25% of the nations refining capacity is in the Houston area with another 50% scattered along the Gulf Coast from Corpus Christi all the way through Beaumont, Lake Charles, and New Orleans. Take all of those out and the US economy will take an extremely heavy beating because fuel imports/exports will be severely constrained.

When Katrina hit New Orleans for example, there were fuel shortages and spikes all across the Southeastern US because most of the oil/gas supply comes from refineries in Texas/Louisiana.

Probably so,but we are only speaking about Houston.You are further proving my point. If Houston magically disappear overnight; those other ports will pick up the slack as was mentioned earlier sir.(or madam)