Noah's Ark - How'd that happen? (Christians, pastors, gay, religions)
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I actually think all of those things were appropriate and not much different than some of the modern expressions of living, in fact in many cultures that don't even have a bible, live worse than the list you have blasted.
Sometimes you have to accept the level of those you are raising, like children. Baby steps, until new wisdom can be accepted without consequences that would be worse than the one's that were practiced in those days.
godspeed,
freedom
The thing is, there is no church of Atheism. There is no holy text of Atheism. There are no commandments of Atheism.
Do you see the difference? You actively worship a book that advocated those atrocities. I, an Atheist, am fighting those moral injustices. Ironic, isn't it?
The thing is, there is no church of Atheism. There is no holy text of Atheism. There are no commandments of Atheism.
Do you see the difference? You actively worship a book that advocated those atrocities. I, an Atheist, am fighting those moral injustices. Ironic, isn't it?
I don't worship a book.
You are fighting history, no where in the new testament does it advocate any of those things.
Ever read the New Testament?
You are quoting Old Testament scriptures out of context, of the times, the peoples and the process of teaching according to their strengths and weaknesses.
Your playing a gotcha game of if you read this you must agree with it by todays standards. Thats silly.
You are fighting history, no where in the new testament does it advocate any of those things.
Ever read the New Testament?
You are quoting Old Testament scriptures out of context, of the times, the peoples and the process of teaching according to their strengths and weaknesses.
Your playing a gotcha game of if you read this you must agree with it by todays standards. Thats silly.
godspeed,
freedom
Out of context...yes that's a common defense. That's all that can be said when it's there in plain text. You can't admit the reality of the words so you have to obfuscate and distract. Otherwise you might have to question your own book!
If the Old Testament has no meaning for you, go ahead and tear it out of your bible. Otherwise go ahead and continue the cycle of supporting archaic writings of paranoid, evil, misogynistic, intolerant, genocidal men.
Also, check out Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The Old Testament is of value to Christians, along with all the atrocities I listed.
I know it's hard for you to put yourself in the place of those who suffered under Old Testament laws because you'd like to march in on the semi-feel good aspect of the New Testament, but consider the whole apple before taking a bite. Watch out for worms!
Out of context...yes that's a common defense. That's all that can be said when it's there in plain text. You can't admit the reality of the words so you have to obfuscate and distract. Otherwise you might have to question your own book!
If the Old Testament has no meaning for you, go ahead and tear it out of your bible. Otherwise go ahead and continue the cycle of supporting archaic writings of paranoid, evil, misogynistic, intolerant, genocidal men.
You do understand context? It is important, to dismiss it is rather puzzling.
I don't doubt the times were strict, i don't disagree with severe punishment for sin. We after all do have the death penalty in this country.
You have to see that you are holding believers to cultual and spiritual straight jackets. Even an evolutionist as yourself can understand the concept of growing in maturity and attitudes, therefore adding greater truths and promises as man was worthy and able to accept them.
You realize Christianity treats women better than anyother religion or culture in the history of the world... We live in this time, and we are held to the standards of what we do, not the ancients and the tests and trials they were called to obey and live.
Also, check out Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The Old Testament is of value to Christians, along with all the atrocities I listed.
I know it's hard for you to put yourself in the place of those who suffered under Old Testament laws because you'd like to march in on the semi-feel good aspect of the New Testament, but consider the whole apple before taking a bite. Watch out for worms!
You have no idea what those verses mean if you think it is about us living the Mosaic laws. It is about transcending them and living higher than those laws, that is how they are fulfilled.
Love is the fulfillment of the law. The Jews killed Jesus because they thought He broke the law, by healing, eating, working, and teaching on the Sabbath.
There is so much to the teaching it would take weeks of study and prayer for you to comprehend them in the least degree, and since you desire none of it, don't embarass yourself by trying to use it falsely for a hollow argument to prop up your unbelief.
You do understand context? It is important, to dismiss it is rather puzzling.
I don't doubt the times were strict, i don't disagree with severe punishment for sin. We after all do have the death penalty in this country.
You have to see that you are holding believers to cultual and spiritual straight jackets. Even an evolutionist as yourself can understand the concept of growing in maturity and attitudes, therefore adding greater truths and promises as man was worthy and able to accept them.
You realize Christianity treats women better than anyother religion or culture in the history of the world... We live in this time, and we are held to the standards of what we do, not the ancients and the tests and trials they were called to obey and live.
godspeed,
freedom
Most fundamentalists think women should stay at home and be homemakers. Guess what, women don't need that kind of treatment. Women are equal to men in every aspect and deserve that respect. Their sum worth should not be mothers only. Women can be scientists, world leaders, athletes...you name it.
All through the Old Testament are passages such as the ones I quoted you where women are property. Fundamentalists like to refer back to these passages to keep "their" women in check. I've even heard Palin supporters say they support her as a Vice President candidate only, and that she should never have authority over men as President.
So yeah, Christianity treats women better than Islam does but guess what, they don't need one hand tied behind their backs and a pat on the shoulder saying, "you're so lucky, we could have tied both hands behind your back."
Most fundamentalists think women should stay at home and be homemakers. Guess what, women don't need that kind of treatment. Women are equal to men in every aspect and deserve that respect. Their sum worth should not be mothers only. Women can be scientists, world leaders, athletes...you name it.
All through the Old Testament are passages such as the ones I quoted you where women are property. Fundamentalists like to refer back to these passages to keep "their" women in check. I've even heard Palin supporters say they support her as a Vice President candidate only, and that she should never have authority over men as President.
So yeah, Christianity treats women better than Islam does but guess what, they don't need one hand tied behind their backs and a pat on the shoulder saying, "you're so lucky, we could have tied both hands behind your back."
Wow! what kind of believers do you know???
You realize that a majority of Christian women go to college, get jobs, and raise a family... I would think Palin would be a good example of that.
Did you also ever stop to think that some women love being Wives, Mothers, and Homemakers?
That it honors them, and that it is the most important job one can have.
Your not one of those Femi-Men that thinks Women and Men are the same in every way are you? Cuz i can't have babies, and i don't bleed every month, and those are the minor differences.
You realize that a majority of Christian women go to college, get jobs, and raise a family... I would think Palin would be a good example of that.
Did you also ever stop to think that some women love being Wives, Mothers, and Homemakers?
That it honors them, and that it is the most important job one can have.
Your not one of those Femi-Men that thinks Women and Men are the same in every way are you? Cuz i can't have babies, and i don't bleed every month, and those are the minor differences.
godspeed,
freedom
Most fundamentalist Christian women I know aspire to go to college, get jobs, get married, get pregnant, and then become full time Moms for the rest of their days. There's no sense of having a career rivaling a man in the sense of intellectual pursuits. The fundamentalist religion they believe in gears them towards staying at home.
It's their choice, but what choice is it if it's all they ever know?
I'm a "femi-man" in the sense that I champion their cause and seek to put no restrictions on what they do due to religious stereotypes.
Question for you freedom....What is the percentage of women pastors, priests or ministers compared to men?....If women were considered equal in every respect it should be about 50/50. In fact it is about 93% male.
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