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Most fundamentalist Christian women I know aspire to go to college, get jobs, get married, get pregnant, and then become full time Moms for the rest of their days. There's no sense of having a career rivaling a man in the sense of intellectual pursuits. The fundamentalist religion they believe in gears them towards staying at home.
It's their choice, but what choice is it if it's all they ever know?
I'm a "femi-man" in the sense that I champion their cause and seek to put no restrictions on what they do due to religious stereotypes.
Well if they are aspiring to do those things, then why do you begrudge them their free choice?
Do you mock them and say they are just Stepford wives pre-programmed not to think for themselves?
That pretty demeaning to the women i know.
Question for you freedom....What is the percentage of women pastors, priests or ministers compared to men?....If women were considered equal in every respect it should be about 50/50. In fact it is about 93% male.
I never said they were equal in every aspect, equality is not a barometer of joy and purpose.
The point is that they are not restricted to being Ministers in most denominations. Why is the military over 90% male? Or Construction workers?
I never said they were equal in every aspect, equality is not a barometer of joy and purpose.
The point is that they are not restricted to being Ministers in most denominations. Why is the military over 90% male? Or Construction workers?
Whats your point?
godspeed,
freedom
Women are physically able to serve in combat roles as men do. The US military places obstacles to this. Let's also remember, our military does not allow homosexuals to openly serve. The US military should evolve.
There are plenty of women who can be construction workers. Can you imagine the cat calls they may receive from some chauvinist co-workers? Remember when whistling at women by construction workers was all the rage?
Well if they are aspiring to do those things, then why do you begrudge them their free choice?
Do you mock them and say they are just Stepford wives pre-programmed not to think for themselves?
That pretty demeaning to the women i know.
godspeed,
freedom
I said it's their choice. I just feel sorry for those that are pressured or indoctrinated into this kind of lifestyle as opposed to given a free choice to do so. If they choose it with no blinders on, great!
When you're raised in a fundamentalist religious lifestyle since a small child, it's very rare to break out of that mold.
I said it's their choice. I just feel sorry for those that are pressured or indoctrinated into this kind of lifestyle as opposed to given a free choice to do so. If they choose it with no blinders on, great!
When you're raised in a fundamentalist religious lifestyle since a small child, it's very rare to break out of that mold.
Because I internet-debate with such folks, or hear testimony from former lifelong religious people on a daily basis. Not to mention quite a large number of co-workers belong to this demographic, as well as quite a few in-laws.
Believe me, I have a good amount of experience with this.
Science is about facts as we understand them. Science evolves. Calling the Earth flat before it could be verified is not really science, is it? It's like you gave up on science because it failed you in the Dark Ages. Campbell, it's 2008, some great changes have taken place. Come join us.
The tales you tell about the biblical god are nice, fuzzy stories. How do you reconcile that with:
Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Exodus 21:7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Numbers 31:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people." 7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
This is just for starters...great religion and god you champion. Let me get this straight:
1) kill homosexuals - check
2) beat slaves - check
3) female slaves not as good as male slaves - check
4) kill women and children and keep all the virgins for yourself - check
What an inspiring belief system!
Homosexuals because of their lifestyle have spread a virus that has killed millions of people because of Aids. In Biblical times there were no such medicines that would of slowed down the spread of the virus. Gods laws were established to protect the general public. However, today we nolonger value Biblical laws, we protect the homosexuals lifestyle, and we allow millions to die from an unchecked disease that homosexuals and others continue to spread.
God took the same position of those guilty of adultery. Today the diseases that have been spread around the world because of the unchecked sexual activities have killed millions. The Biblical solution to keeping man safe, may of been seen as cruel, yet, how much worse would it of been back when they had no medical treatment to slow the spread of the virus.
God has always tried to protect the general population. Your belief is to allow others to infect the general public, and let them rot. What an inspiring belief you have as well.
Homosexuals because of their lifestyle have spread a virus that has killed millions of people because of Aids. In Biblical times there were no such medicines that would of slowed down the spread of the virus. Gods laws were established to protect the general public. However, today we nolonger value Biblical laws, we protect the homosexuals lifestyle, and we allow millions to die from an unchecked disease that homosexuals and others continue to spread.
God took the same position of those guilty of adultery. Today the diseases that have been spread around the world because of the unchecked sexual activities have killed millions. The Biblical solution to keeping man safe, may of been seen as cruel, yet, how much worse would it of been back when they had no medical treatment to slow the spread of the virus.
God has always tried to protect the general population. Your belief is to allow others to infect the general public, and let them rot. What an inspiring belief you have as well.
Seriously? You do know that HIV is not just a homosexual disease right? Seriously? I guess I should not be surprised to continue to hear this kind of reply. Seriously?
So what biblical evidence do you provide to back up your completely ignorant statement? I don't recall seeing anything in the bible about that. I do hear some Christians justifying the murder of homosexuals to prevent spreading diseases so they can sleep better at night.
The way you word your reply, you almost make it seem like you would like to revisit the "killing of homosexuals to prevent the spread of HIV" scenario. This is when the very thought of a fundamentalist Christian theocracy in the United States becomes dangerous.
Seriously? You do know that HIV is not just a homosexual disease right? Seriously? I guess I should not be surprised to continue to hear this kind of reply. Seriously?
So what biblical evidence do you provide to back up your completely ignorant statement? I don't recall seeing anything in the bible about that. I do hear some Christians justifying the murder of homosexuals to prevent spreading diseases so they can sleep better at night.
The way you word your reply, you almost make it seem like you would like to revisit the "killing of homosexuals to prevent the spread of HIV" scenario. This is when the very thought of a fundamentalist Christian theocracy in the United States becomes dangerous.
Seriously, I don't know how old you are John, but in the beginning the homosexuals use to call Aids Falwells revenge. The reason for that was because Jerry Falwell use to tell the Gay people that those who choose that life style may receive the punishment from God. Of course they all made fun of him until aids showed up. Of course because the life styles of so many people were involved with drugs and other kinds of sexual pratices, the virse found all kinds of new ways of being spread. Believe me John, I know Christian trying to help homosexuals and others who now have the Aids virus. I know one member of my former church who set up an Aids clinic in Africa to help those over there. This is pretty much the way it goes. Christians warn the people to stay away from such a lifestyle. Then the Christians get dumped on for not being tolerant or open minded. Then after everyone gets sick from their chossen lifestyle. Then the Christians have to spend millions of their dollars to take care of the ones who refused to listen to them in the first place. It is often the Christian fundamentalist who have to clean up the mess, after your free thinkers, and openmindness runs it's course.
Funny you should mention that... my World Religions teacher in college compared god to 'the force', it's invisible, yet some people think they have it, but others are not allowed to. There is a dark and light side to it and you have to be on one or the other. Regarding a different poster and the 'prophet' and fulfilled prophecies, what about Nostradamus? SOME of his prophecies came true, just like the bibles'... People keep calling b.s. on Nostradamus because his prophecies are all up to interpretation, much like....you guessed it...the bible!
Most of the prophecies in the Bible do not require that much interpretation. However you would of actually had to of read the prophecies in the Bible to know that.
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