Atheism As A REJECTION OF--Not Disbelief In--An Evil God (zealous, hell, atheist)
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So...you are saying the premise the OP is based upon...and thus, the whole argument (and, thus, the whole thread), is flawed...and he's been going off like this over nothing?!
If so, why didn't you say that 2000 posts ago?
I pretty much said so waaaaaaaaaay back near the beginning when I said:
"Any poster here has the right to not hold god (if he exists) responsible for what has and is happening in the world.
The rest of us have every right to hold god (if he exists) responsible. And those religionists who don't like it when we do...tough tamales."
It's odd that only now you're realizing what my position is re god.
ALL of Christianity is based on faith. We are deliberately given no proof so that only those who believe God and act on His promise are admitted to heaven. Everyone else gets the default afterlife.
That would make your god an evil monster, and certainly not all knowing.
Just because there may be fossil evidence supporting evolution (a big "if"), it doesn't follow that evolution is true. It's the same principle for the Resurrection of Christ.
Evolution, not a big "if" (as can be explained in the science section), the resurrection is a big "if".
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
The belief in the evolution of higher forms of life from lower forms requires a leap of faith.
An account of Jesus appears in Annals of Imperial Rome, history of the Roman Empire written around 116 A.D. by Roman senator and historian Tacitus. In chronicling the burning of Rome in 64 A.D., Tacitus says that Emperor Nero falsely blamed “persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.”
The firs passage says Chrestians, not Christians, and the rest of that small section appears to have been a later addition.
I know all about that. But they can't prove it was due to evolution alone. They would need a DeLorean.
Who says God didn't create evolution to save time for other work.
Because you have not proven your god exists. And as evolution has all the evidence (as can be explained in the science forum), and requires no improbable god, we do not need your assertion.
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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
And notice how all of the evolutionists act like the monkeys they think they come from whenever someone mentions Creationism.
Have you noticed how creationists have to lie, or are not smart enough to understand they are being lied to.
Because you are a failure. You and you alone are to blame. You messed up the world.
How can you presume to blame God for your own failures?
Because according to the Genesis stories, your god did fail. Did we not explain this, how your god was too stupid to realize the danger of putting the tree of knowledge in an accessible place, and that an all knowing, all powerful god would know beforehand that his creation would fall, leading to the paradox that your all loving god must be the most evil entity possible, or your all powerful god did not have the ability to stop the fall?
The god of the Genesis stories is a fallible and not too intelligent god.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
God owes you nothing, and you owe God everything.
You ought to pay up while you have the chance.
And if your god is not the true god, you have the same problem.
I pretty much said so waaaaaaaaaay back near the beginning when I said:
"Any poster here has the right to not hold god (if he exists) responsible for what has and is happening in the world.
The rest of us have every right to hold god (if he exists) responsible. And those religionists who don't like it when we do...tough tamales."
It's odd that only now you're realizing what my position is re god.
Right...that's my point.
Your response to me ("If...but not") is that God is not the "Head Honcho", Big Boss, etc.
But you didn't say that to thrillobyte...or anyone else.
Why wait until over 2000 posts to note that the premise a thread is working off of is flawed/faulty?
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An account of Jesus appears in Annals of Imperial Rome, history of the Roman Empire written around 116 A.D. by Roman senator and historian Tacitus. In chronicling the burning of Rome in 64 A.D., Tacitus says that Emperor Nero falsely blamed “persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.”
Since we must believe by faith and not by sight, we are deliberately not given any proof.
If you got the proof you are demanding, it would destroy God's way to det4ermine who is saved.
LOL. You give us the whole documentary 'proof' amounting to one phrase (as bolded). And then you say "we are deliberately not given any proof".
Because according to the Genesis stories, your god did fail. Did we not explain this, how your god was too stupid to realize the danger of putting the tree of knowledge in an accessible place, and that an all knowing, all powerful god would know beforehand that his creation would fall, leading to the paradox that your all loving god must be the most evil entity possible, or your all powerful god did not have the ability to stop the fall?
The god of the Genesis stories is a fallible and not too intelligent god.
Unless I'm confusing you with another poster, I'm quite sure that I've personally corrected your errant perspective on this. If you refuse to learn and understand, then the problem is yours. Willfully persisting in ignorance is not a good look.
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