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I would like to ask what is New Atheism all about? What are its aims? What is its level of tolerance towards others that are not aligned with it? Does it seek to remove all religion or coexist? Go.
Next in a series, What motivates the 'New Atheist'?
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“my primary purposes here is to say to some christians -- back off. A few christians, even here, who are on a hunting expedition...they want to bag an atheist and convert them (or from some other religion). I simply will not let that stand.”
“ Most important reason to me is to say to christians -- back off and leave people alone. If we want your preaching, we'll ask for it. Second reason -- you don't own this country and have no special status in it.“
“You are the enemy who tries to shove your religion down the throats of people who don't want it.”
"Right wing christians are out for blood (sometimes literally) for anyone that's not like them."
“you're telling us in all these posts that you feel a bit defeated when you're so outnumbered in a forum. Maybe that's a little how we feel when we're so outnumbered in everyday life.”
“Yes, you deserve the grilling you're getting here form numerous posters BECAUSE you are pushing an agenda onto people.”
"you have a Christianity subforum, but I don't see you restricting your postings to that subforum”
“You are right. Most of us do not want to hear "more from what the christians think”.
“This is not a praise forum. You would be closer to that up in the christianity subforum. This is a forum to discuss all forms of religion and spirituality… Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism, Satanism, tarot cards, crystals... anything spiritual. It is not owned by christians. It belongs to everyone.”
I would like to ask what is New Atheism all about? What are its aims? What is its level of tolerance towards others that are not aligned with it? Does it seek to remove all religion or coexist? Go.
Generally, it's people that don't feel comfortable telling people in person they don't believe, but they feel emboldened on the internet. I've never met an atheist that can actually have a rational discussion and answer some basic questions. So it's usually quite emotional.
Generally, it's people that don't feel comfortable telling people in person they don't believe, but they feel emboldened on the internet. I've never met an atheist that can actually have a rational discussion and answer some basic questions. So it's usually quite emotional.
You have yet to figure out how this projection thing works I'm guessing.
2. If there are, that would not have been my position. I already stated that (well I used to think anyways) Atheists deserved rights as well. In fact, if you go back in my comment history to my earliest comments you will see where I posted this and a link to something that was happening in the schools today.
3. Yes.
You can cite things from the past and they are all correct. That is NOT the subject of this thread. This thread is about New Atheism which is new and has no long standing history as of yet. I am concerned with its aims as its beginning to understand where it is going from here on out.
Actually it is the subject of this thread. Those laws, for example, are still on the books.
And the aim of new atheism -- in my view -- is to put religion in its place. And it has a place. In churches. In homes. In minds. But it has no place in politics. It has no place in schools that serve a multicultural (including a multi-religious) population. Our nation is based on separation of church and state. Separation. It's perfectly all right for religionists to vote their conscience, which is based on their religion, but in my view it is not all right for churches to be lobbying politicians with their fists full of greenbacks.
Uh huh. Sure. If that makes you feel better when you go to bed tonight in Mom's basement.
My mother is shunning me and I haven't talked to her in over 5 years due to me not following her religious beliefs. These beliefs can be dangerous if taken too seriously. That's why they can't be set apart as non-discussable.
Someone mentioned Sam Harris. I am a big fan of his. Here are a few short clips. If someone wants to watch some of the longer interviews I highly suggest it.
Don't get too carried away by those Nones figures. Those are padded by people who had spiritual traditions that weren't part of the options. Pagans, NeoPagans, and Wiccans to name a few. We have to select "None" if ours isn't listed.
I'm not getting too carried away. Because the irreligion (None) campaign isn't abut atheism but about non -(organised) religion. That is, atheists, agnostics, pagans and even the religious who see the value of no one religion have authority ver the others are part of it.
Which is why I say that we are all allies or should be, because we have the same objective - equal rights for those of any religion or none.
But still those who should be in the campaig with us oppose us and even end up supporting those who would take away their right to think Differently - just because they are not atheists.
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I don't know if organized religion will survive or not. But not because Atheism is necessarily the answer but because spiritual believers of all traditions may choose something different than what we have now.
I think that atheism is the answer - but I would, wouldn't I and I might be wrong. That doesn't matter. What matters is a society where all the answers are given an equal chance to make a case and not just One answer -a dogma out of a Holy Book -is imposed.
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If that quote that Iwasmadenew shared was yours... are you from America? At the beginning you were most concerned about America. Can you explain this?
It was mine - I remember it. I'm British. Mad as a hatter, Lazy and smell of wet overcoats. Oh yes - and terrible dentistry. The UK Isn't where the campaign matters. Life of Brian saw to that. America is the problem and getting worse. If America can become Irreligious. , it will KNOW that it is irreligious. I won't be lip service to religion while it tries to manipulate people on the quiet and maintain its' privileges - it will push religion out of politics, education and the rest of society (not the family - can't help that, it will have to be the 'withering') and the rest of the west will take notice and be aware that it is irreligious. Right now it thinks that everyone else is religious, and just pretend.
A quote by an American atheist "When I joined an atheist group I was astonished to find that other atheists were people I know, but I thought they were religious'.
Uk isn't important; America is where the campaign is won or (perhaps) lost.
You have yet to figure out how this projection thing works I'm guessing.
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My mother is shunning me and I haven't talked to her in over 5 years due to me not following her religious beliefs. These beliefs can be dangerous if taken too seriously. That's why they can't be set apart as non-discussable.
Curious. Is Mom a Christian? If so...what church? There is nothing to justify a Christian shunning a family member over it. Having said that, I am old enough to know there are often 2 sides to a story.
In my view, new atheism is just more outspoken old atheism.
In my time here in this forum, I have seen little mention of eliminating religion, but more putting it in its place.
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Phetaroi, putting it in its place? Is it a threat?
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It is a threat. A threat to its' power and authority. It is a real threat and they are right to fear it.
Explain this.
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Don't take me an an authority -this is just what i saw. Thee were Christian Information websites, individual sites and general chatrooms where people exchanged views, arguments and some searing abuse and the occasional hellthreat.
In my early days i started on Atheist sites where Christians rolled up and argued with us. Later Christian websites where I rolled up and argued. If we weren't banned.
So trolling was going on? Maybe on both sides?
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It's the same problem as calling it a religion. Anthing that people feel needs a campaign can be made to look Evangelical - because it is.
So it is evangelical and a movement.
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You can even find extremism, militancy and Fundamentalism in all sorts of things - Racial and sexual equality. Activism and militancy is common in causes but does not a religion make, let alone a Fundamentalist one.
Does New Atheism have a belief that only rational thought and science provide answers? Do New Atheists believe that those who don't agree are somehow lacking in intelligence? Are these the tenests of New Atheism?
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But the fact is that one good laugh at the expense of theist will do far more than two pages of informed argument.
I am certain I would be damned to hell by any Fundamentalist Christian (and who knows who else) but the difference is I don't resort to mocking them. Mocking others is playground stuff.
Curious. Is Mom a Christian? If so...what church? There is nothing to justify a Christian shunning a family member over it. Having said that, I am old enough to know there are often 2 sides to a story.
Yes, she is a Christain. You'd know her sect of you bothered to try and understand anyone else. I've mentioned it countless times.
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and I might be wrong. That doesn't matter. What matters is a society where all the answers are given an equal chance to make a case and not just One answer -a dogma out of a Holy Book -is imposed.
