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Old 04-18-2008, 04:37 AM
 
Location: PA
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Funny how there is no geological evidence to support the theory of a great flood happening anywhere near the time the bible said it did. And there is geological evidence going back millions of years - but nothing showing the results of a flood of that magnitude.
The fossil reccord is the geological evidence of the Great Flood. Modern geologists have just taken the various layers to be diferent epocs of time.

If you take a jar and put in a shovel full of earth add water and shake well. Set this jar aside for a few hours and you will see layering occuring. This is what the flood did. That is why fossils protrude through the layers. They are not different times in history, just different densities of solution.

Your millions of years is part of the Unitarian model. It is an evolutionary device, so to try to line the bible up to an evolutionary time line will fail every time. It is not that the bible is incorrect, it is just because your reasoning is faulty.
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Old 04-18-2008, 04:43 AM
 
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It's funny how fictional stories and folkclores can become reality after they're hammered into people's heads for centuries going. The bible was a fun story, (for me) for those who take it literally... you really need to dig deeper for some hard evidence. (which will never surface, because it's all fiction.)

and for those who will argue that god can create his own history, well then, aren't you built in god's image! (the opposite being true: isn't god built to your own image...)
God did not create his own history. History is history. It is man that has created his own idea of how the past occured. Man was not there so his theory is flawed from the begining. God was there so his reccord is true.

Man was created in the image of God. The opposite is false. God is not created in the image of man. To believe this is faulty reasoning.
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Old 04-18-2008, 06:02 AM
 
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The fossil reccord is the geological evidence of the Great Flood. Modern geologists have just taken the various layers to be diferent epocs of time.

If you take a jar and put in a shovel full of earth add water and shake well. Set this jar aside for a few hours and you will see layering occuring. This is what the flood did. That is why fossils protrude through the layers. They are not different times in history, just different densities of solution.
Neither the sediments nor the fossils are sorted according to size, density or composition, which is what you'd get if it were sediment settling out. Also, fossil size at any particular layer is not correlated with the particle size of the surrounding rock, which you'd also expect if the layering occurred as you described.

Look, the oil industry spends billions a year looking for oil based on the science of geology. Don't you think they'd switch to using bible-based flood ideas in a second if it would save them money or help them find more oil? Why are they not doing this?

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Your millions of years is part of the Unitarian model.
What do Unitarians have to do with geology?
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Old 04-18-2008, 06:44 AM
 
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The dinosaurs got wiped out in the great flood because there wasn’t enough room for them in Noah’s ark. That was back when the earth was still flat like a big pizza pie; it didn’t get rounded out until later when God decided to put a spin on His creation. Now everything goes round and around.
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Old 04-18-2008, 09:03 AM
 
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The dinosaurs got wiped out in the great flood because there wasn’t enough room for them in Noah’s ark. That was back when the earth was still flat like a big pizza pie; it didn’t get rounded out until later when God decided to put a spin on His creation. Now everything goes round and around.
Sung to the tune of "That's amore" with a thick Italian accent. "...like a big a pizza pie."
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Old 04-19-2008, 06:53 AM
 
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It's funny how fictional stories and folkclores can become reality after they're hammered into people's heads for centuries going. The bible was a fun story, (for me) for those who take it literally... you really need to dig deeper for some hard evidence. (which will never surface, because it's all fiction.)

and for those who will argue that god can create his own history, well then, aren't you built in god's image! (the opposite being true: isn't god built to your own image...)
If the Bible is all fiction, why are it's prophecies all true. Why is Jerusalems East Gate still sealed today?
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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You shall never again be rebuilt, for I Yahweh have spoken, says the Lord GOD (Ezek. 26:1-14)

The prophecy against Tyre..... which is still there today.
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Toronto; Canada
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Post And then (in Genesis) as a proof of the Dominion over Animals...

I'd really question this proof of the dominion over Animals. Noah built an Ark and that's the reason that We as humans recovered the power to control our own moral conduct. Man really wants to Be moral, but then the urge to keep Proving he must be Right. Man out of the satifaction of common communication and the self-control of being as God He built the Tower of Babel. And that beautiful version of the dominion in the theoretical towards practical essence he finds that the measures are for the Life as substatnial fillers.


These fillers or buffers if you Will make Nature into being the identity of what It is.
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Old 04-19-2008, 10:00 AM
 
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You shall never again be rebuilt, for I Yahweh have spoken, says the Lord GOD (Ezek. 26:1-14)

The prophecy against Tyre..... which is still there today.
Well not exactly, they did build a city named Tyre about four miles from the orginal Tyre. The orginal Tyre has never been rebuilt, and remains an archeological site today. The God of the Bible stated fishermen would cast their nets over Tyre, and that is what fishermen do today. The main strong hold city of Tyre was about a half mile from the shore, and that was destroyed by Alexander the Great. The mainland city which was also destroyed has never been rebuilt either. And if you travel from the old archeological site, you must first pass through the town of Sur before you arrive at the city of Tyre. So the Bible was correct, the Old City of Tyre remains destroyed, and is a place where fishermen cast their nets. Since the ancient Tyre was never rebuilt, the city of Tyre located four miles away remains as insignificant, as the city of Tyre Michigan. Only if the (orginal city) had been rebuilt, which would also include the city in the sea, could one say the prophecy had failed.
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:21 AM
 
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You do err because you are trying to understand the flood from you limited perspective.

Since, the tectonic plates were not formed until the "fountains of the deep were broken up", there was no tall mountians then like there are now. So the water level does not need to be as high as you assume (you are reasoning the bible from a unitarian model, if it wont fit this evolutionary system you will reject it.
I have Genesis open right now, here's a quote: Genesis7:19 And the waters prevailed so mightily upon the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.
I think I gotcha on that one, you're just making stuff up that isn't even in the Bible and in fact you've contradicting it. Whenever you guys get stuck in some illogical statement you just invent some outlandish explanation that isn't based on any evidence of any kind and it isn't even based on the Bible.
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