A Few Questions About The Great Flood (Islamic, Biblical, Jewish)
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With God, nothing is impossible!!! That is why He IS.
The Almighty God Has Power that is un-imaginable. Does not have to be proved scientifically for me to believe in what i feel is the truth.
Which is why the flood is not history but rather a very tenuous philosophy.
As i said, "deuz ex machina" explains it all and is impossible to argue against.
Got a plot-hole in your story? Deuz ex machina
Story found to be both physically and logically impossible? Deuz ex machina
Others got evidence that story didn't happen? Deuz ex machina
It could nvertheless be attached to the diabolical SEA LEVEL concept.
[quote=MontanaGuy;3440932]If the entire earth was covered with water from present day sea level to a height that would cover all land masses it would require almost 30,000 feet of water. There is a finite amount of water on the earth and not enough to rise to this height so where did the water come from and where did it go after the flood was over?
Much of the understanding of what you are talking about is an empirically principled notion of taking altering matter over and against fixed or static grounds (in the ideal rational sense; like Hegel or previous to him Schelling) considered in the divinely created Nature (Hegel didn't do an ex nihilo creation but Schelling could have conceived of that in the direct bearing of the purely analytic Ego to be discovered somewhere in the a priori sense in Time). In any case to both philosophers regarded the very alterations of the Earth in the totality of valuing displacement (if earth has more water upon it, then the Water is isostatically altering at a displacement of that so-called change in SEA-LEVEL; if the water comes pouring down from the skies or heaven, then it too comes from a hydro-cycle throughout Earth, getting some way evaporated).
But the real crux of the problem is in defining what a SEA-LEVEL is. Even today if the various capacities of the density of water covering the surface of the Earth were to alter than deviously the sea level would rise ; this could happen if more or less of the water is in the state of vapour or not.
How does one define sea level once we refer to the whole subject in the total physical chemical sense of taking properties of different substances in the (empirically we never could understand then in biblical times or now what a total quantity of water is, much less a total presence of rising or falling sea levels; maybe for Noah the Earth actually sinks downward due to tectonic activity). Empirically we are observing the times of day, the movements of the sun, and the classified substantial objects when and how they are in the water; life or living beings need dry surfaces but suddenly the sea shifted it's place on the Earth's surface and land seiced to exist.
What exists? The SEA LEVEL cannot rise or fall because it is already by definition the determining specificity of newly discovered substances; it's their strange properties which we waste our livelihoods everywhere to find easy fixes for the life on Earth which sadly but truly exist side-by-side to these chemical compounds. We think Life is not dependent on Nature over all, and we think we can do what we want with the dependence of discovered properties of matter for their being part of the entire natural universe.
Excuses that we know that ice flows through the Bering Straight will recover our sea level when the polar ice caps melt cannot be realized as just such a quick fix.
If the entire earth was covered with water from present day sea level to a height that would cover all land masses it would require almost 30,000 feet of water. There is a finite amount of water on the earth and not enough to rise to this height so where did the water come from and where did it go after the flood was over?
You assume the world you see as it is now was the same as it was in the day of Noah. Lose that assumption. Start with a world with shallower ocean floors and smaller mountains. Example, if the ocean floors and current land masses were equal height, there's enough water on the earth to cover it to a depth of 1.7 miles. Using a catastrophic plate tectonic theory, the mountains we see today were produced during and shortly after the flood. Simply put, drop the land and raise the sea floor, flood the globe; drop the sea floor and raise the land, water receeds.
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I would imagine that the rain was fresh water as opposed to salt water (that's generally what we get in a rainstorm) so what would that do to marine life? Fresh water marine life can't survive in salt water and salt water marine life can't survive in fresh water so this mixing of the oceans with massive amounts of fresh water and then the covering of fresh water lakes and rivers with a deluge of thousands of feet of water should have mixed the salt water with the fresh water and killed off the marine life. How did that work out?
There were likely "salt wedge" estuaries or pockets where salt-water fish could have survived. There are fish today that migrate between salt and freshwater locations, and there could have been fish then that did the same. There are reasonable answers if you're willing to look.
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Why is there no geological evidence whatsoever of a worldwide flood?
That depends on your worldview. Is the Grand Canyon evidence for the global flood or something that happened over supposed eons of time? Are all the fossil beds we discover mainly remants of creatures destroyed in the flood or laid down over eons of time? Coal beds? Oil fields? Like I said, it depends on your world view.
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How did trees, crops, grasses and plants of every kind survive after being under thousands of feet of water?
After the flood had subsided how did the animals on the arc get back home? I don't recall anything in the Bible describing Noah taking kangaroos back to Australia or elephants back to Africa and of course there's millions of species and the Bible says that Noah was over 600 years old at the time so I would imagine that at that age he needed to take a nap now and again.
Just wondering.
Once again assuming all the "species" we identified today were in existence at the time of Noah. But for the surviving animals (and yes, I do include dinosaurs as I don't subscribe to millions and billions of years of earth history) that left the ark, they migrated. They dispersed and traveled and multiplied and adapted to their new environs. The lands they entered after the flood were not the same as when they left before the flood. There were land bridges for people to cross the Bering Straight to enter North America, so why couldn't there be such along the chains of islands that are around Austrailia?
Just because some people don't think it's possible doesn't mean it wasn't possible. With God, all things are possible.
You assume the world you see as it is now was the same as it was in the day of Noah. Lose that assumption. Start with a world with shallower ocean floors and smaller mountains. Example, if the ocean floors and current land masses were equal height, there's enough water on the earth to cover it to a depth of 1.7 miles. Using a catastrophic plate tectonic theory, the mountains we see today were produced during and shortly after the flood. Simply put, drop the land and raise the sea floor, flood the globe; drop the sea floor and raise the land, water receeds.
That depends on your worldview. Is the Grand Canyon evidence for the global flood or something that happened over supposed eons of time? Are all the fossil beds we discover mainly remants of creatures destroyed in the flood or laid down over eons of time? Coal beds? Oil fields? Like I said, it depends on your world view.
Once again assuming all the "species" we identified today were in existence at the time of Noah. But for the surviving animals (and yes, I do include dinosaurs as I don't subscribe to millions and billions of years of earth history) that left the ark, they migrated. They dispersed and traveled and multiplied and adapted to their new environs. The lands they entered after the flood were not the same as when they left before the flood. There were land bridges for people to cross the Bering Straight to enter North America, so why couldn't there be such along the chains of islands that are around Austrailia?
Just because some people don't think it's possible doesn't mean it wasn't possible. With God, all things are possible.
This post and the one about "god taking care of all the details" are hilarious.
So, then the Himalaya Mountain range is not as old as geologists think? As for the land rising and falling, is there any evidence of such extreme activity?
It's a long way from Turkey to Australia, even if there were land bridges. For a journey of thousands of miles, what did the animals eat along the way? Did they all pack a lunch? Once they animals arrived at their destinations did the land bridges self-destruct? Did god lead all animals to specific places, or did they know where to go?
On the ark itself, Noah would have to take along more than two of certain species to be used as food for meat eaters. How many tons of hay and grain would be sufficient to feed the other animals during the flood.
If god wanted to destroy all wicked people, why did he provide immense hardships for the animals? Only two of each species survived. That means that millions of animals perished for the sins of the wicked people? Does that make sense? Why didn't god just create a disease which kills all wicked people? Seems like his motto was, why do things the easy way if there's a hard way to do it.
There isn't a shred of evidence to back your bizarre theories. How can anyone take the biblical account seriously?
Well, proof again why it's useless talking to people about Genesis and origins .. you provide reasonable answers and they just laugh and mock. Nice way to debate. Total lack of respect.
Well, proof again why it's useless talking to people about Genesis and origins .. you provide reasonable answers and they just laugh and mock. Nice way to debate. Total lack of respect.
But mams, your "answers" are not reasonable. It's all fiction. You're only clinging to your faith, but faith doesn't prove the origins of life. Genesis is not a scientific document. A debate is to back up statements with facts that can be proven.
But mams, your "answers" are not reasonable. It's all fiction. You're only clinging to your faith, but faith doesn't prove the origins of life. Genesis is not a scientific document. A debate is to back up statements with facts that can be proven.
Can you disprove anything mams has said with facts? His answers IN YOUR OPTION are fiction.
Can you disprove anything mams has said with facts? His answers IN YOUR OPTION are fiction.
What is "his answers"?
International geologists and geo-physicists have different views. I am not one of them, but tend to believe their researched facts more than I would believe the biblical account. Reason is that these people carefully study, take notes, conduct tests, observe, consult with peers, and then present their findings. To completely understand any of their scientific data would require a background in the relevant fields, just to keep up with the terminology.
Believing the biblical account requires hardly any education at all. Even a semi-literate can "understand" it all.
Mams has not stated any facts. If some of those statements are to be considered as facts, what are the sources? The burden of proof is on the one who stated the opinions. Where can one find proof that the mountains and sea bottoms changed in such extreme proportions?
I think Montana presented some valid points to which the creationists cannot provide reasonable rebuttal.
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It could nvertheless be attached to the diabolical SEA LEVEL concept.
