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Old 05-14-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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Wow that many?

And to think that everyone is fine with automobiles.
post 88.

Don't forget bath tubs....

IRS POW Nice handle, but to be pc it ain't MOOO, it's baa baa

the deleted post is due to i double posted

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Old 05-14-2010, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Well my greatest fear is getting run over by one of the half blind snowbirds that come to town.
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Old 05-14-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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It's funny people who are anti-gun are the first to run for protection when riots break out. Just look at Watts when the riots got under way the anti-gun people ran to friends houses that they knew were armed.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:54 AM
 
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Well my greatest fear is getting run over by one of the half blind snowbirds that come to town.
Yeah, and about now they are coming back to the nawth country.

Your fears are ending while mine are just begining... I ride....

This year is just living hell for the black flys, and sketters too. These are quadzilla big this year. Yesterday i saw a skeeter 4 times bigger than an eagle! 4 days ago it spit snow. A could of black fies tried to take my buddies Newfie dawg diwn tio the swap for a feast!

It's really bad here in the nawth country now! And 2 weeks back I saw 8 bears! really.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:56 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Long time no see, Hestonians

The only ones who really benefit from criminals and law-abiding citizens being afraid of and killing each other are the gun makers, who don't give a damn about life on either side. Death is their business. I mean, where did the weapons of all those criminals come from in the first place? They were supplied by the same companies as those of people who feel like they need them to protect themselves. The gun makers are frolicking with that arms race.

Some law-abiding citizens of today will turn into the criminals and thugs of tomorrow as we all are potential criminals.

Me a hypocrite because I want police to do the job that justifies their mere existence? That's funny Do I operate on myself or pull my own teeth? No, I leave it to specialists in their respective fields. Cops have to do years of training for a reason...

Anyway, returning from that general discussion on arms to Arizona, why don't people there excert more pressure on state and federal governments to fight the supposedly immigrant violence? One might consider those gangs a national security threat
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Old 05-15-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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why don't people there excert more pressure on state and federal governments to fight the supposedly immigrant violence?
We have. We did.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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why don't people there excert more pressure on state and federal governments to fight the supposedly immigrant violence?


Democrats need voters for the 2010 elections, and they are hoping the immigrants will be able to vote
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Old 05-15-2010, 09:53 PM
 
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Long time no see, Hestonians

The only ones who really benefit from criminals and law-abiding citizens being afraid of and killing each other are the gun makers, who don't give a damn about life on either side. Death is their business. I mean, where did the weapons of all those criminals come from in the first place? They were supplied by the same companies as those of people who feel like they need them to protect themselves. The gun makers are frolicking with that arms race.

Some law-abiding citizens of today will turn into the criminals and thugs of tomorrow as we all are potential criminals.

Me a hypocrite because I want police to do the job that justifies their mere existence? That's funny Do I operate on myself or pull my own teeth? No, I leave it to specialists in their respective fields. Cops have to do years of training for a reason...

Anyway, returning from that general discussion on arms to Arizona, why don't people there excert more pressure on state and federal governments to fight the supposedly immigrant violence? One might consider those gangs a national security threat
^^^^^
A post of falsehoods, supposition, projection and down right ignorance.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:47 PM
 
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The only ones who really benefit from criminals and law-abiding citizens being afraid of and killing each other are the gun makers, who don't give a damn about life on either side. Death is their business. I mean, where did the weapons of all those criminals come from in the first place? They were supplied by the same companies as those of people who feel like they need them to protect themselves. The gun makers are frolicking with that arms race.
Don't forget the makes of power-tools and hand-tools, those that produce and sell cutlery, and anyone who turns wood into baseball bats. You can be killed with anything. The LAC owning a handgun isnt for killing, it is for defending. Death happens to be a result on some occasions.

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Some law-abiding citizens of today will turn into the criminals and thugs of tomorrow as we all are potential criminals.
And lightning could strike you whenever you walk outside. I don't recommend leaving your house. Let me know when you want to make a coherent argument.

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Me a hypocrite because I want police to do the job that justifies their mere existence?
The police do not have a legal obligation to protect individual citizens. They exist to protect society at large. Your defense is your obligation. If you want to walk around without a means to defend yourself--firearm, martial art, or a personal body-guard--you're a moron.

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That's funny Do I operate on myself or pull my own teeth? No, I leave it to specialists in their respective fields. Cops have to do years of training for a reason...
"Years of training?" Acadamies are about 4 months long, most of the time spent learning how to be cops--patrol, write reports, arrest suspects, write reports, investigate crimes, write reports, interview suspects, write reports, learn to shoot, write reports, issue citations, write reports, learn to drive, write reports, and finally, they learn to write reports.

Those that actively carry a firearm do so because they want to do so. It also means they generally spend far more time at a range than cops do (you know, because being a police officer gets in the way of getting some range time. Ask any cop).

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Anyway, returning from that general discussion on arms to Arizona, why don't people there excert more pressure on state and federal governments to fight the supposedly immigrant violence? One might consider those gangs a national security threat
The problem is that we have immigration laws. Excuse me, strict immigration laws. The Mexicans immigrant workers want to be just that--work here, go home after the working season (or just ship money to Mexico, whatever works). The problem is that our strict immigration laws keep them here. They don't want to be here, but because it's so difficult and expensive, and dangerous to cross the border, you want to do it as few times as possible. When you're are classified as a criminal (for existing, basically), you do criminal things. (Zimbardo 1971). We'll have to open a new thread to discuss the long, long problems with immigration and by extension our prison culture.

And before someone wants to open their mouth and say something about Mexicans "taking all of our jobs," don't bother. You, I, and no citizen is hiring themselves out to farm-hands and menial labor jobs. Immigrants fill those positions, just as every immigrant in the past has done so.
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Old 05-16-2010, 07:36 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Well, how many people are killed with a baseball bat or a drilling machine - compared to shot by arms? ^^

Lightning? That's a natural event that can't be prevented, but arms don't exactly grow on trees.

Society consists of individuals, police can't protect society at large unless it protects its individual members.

It's so easy to become a cop over there? Here it takes years to become a cop and it is quite difficult to even be accepted at a police academy these days as in the past some rather odd people with the wrong motivations and psychological problems wanted to become cops.

That seems to be a major difference, over here one is not expected to defend oneself. We simply expect to be safe, be it at home or when leaving the house. We pay a lot of taxes and in turn demand the state provide a safe environment to live in. And for the most part it does, not least because rising crime rates are directly blamed on the state and more specifically the police. And I guess crime prevention is pretty good here. The drug problem is not so big, either. I would not want to live in a world where I felt my family was in danger or where I may be involved and maybe even killed in some shooting any moment.

Maybe I am wrong, but I was wondering if the fact that people walk a lot more over here and that anonymity is much less common help prevent a lot of crime.

Can any criminal just walk across the border in Arizona? I was exploring the border on Google Maps, there are walls or whatever it is (hard to tell because of the resolution) within and close to towns, but a couple of miles away there seems to be nothing that could hinder people from passing.
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