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So, who are those armed thugs on the payroll of government? Police? The Army? Do you know what your country would look like without them, if it still existed, that is...
How about a shooter's license (based on lessens, exams, psychological evaluation etc.) everyone has to get before being allowed to have a gun? I mean, people are not even allowed to drive cars without a license, and cars take lives, too.
You have gun control in Portugal. Enjoy it and leave those of us in the US with our 2nd Amendment ALONE! Those breaking the laws are the ones who need further restrictions, not law abiding citizens.
How about a shooter's license (based on lessens, exams, psychological evaluation etc.) everyone has to get before being allowed to have a gun? I mean, people are not even allowed to drive cars without a license, and cars take lives, too.
Our courts have essentially ruled against requiring any kind of licensure to merely own a firearm (no such thing as a "shooters" license")
I, nor a majority of Americans, would not support such a license scheme.
Anyway, guns to me are an anachronism, just like death penalty. There might have been a place and time for them centuries ago, when there was all kind of fighting going on and there was no established system to settle disputes, but time has moved on...
The defense against tyranny is an illusion. The way to get rid of politicians today is by voting, publishing, and suing in case they did something illegal. Since the US population is more or less split in two big blocks all the killing of a politician deemed a tyrant by one half would achieve is a kind of civil war.
So you do not believe that people have a natural right to self-defense but just leave their fate to the government to determine if they live or die in a violent confrontation?
So, who are those armed thugs on the payroll of government? Police? The Army? Do you know what your country would look like without them, if it still existed, that is...
Yep. Yep. Nope, that would be impossible. How human freedom would express itself is not static and would be as variable as would be freedom of association and as dynamic as independent human thought. As humans have not been free for many millenia attempting to describe it would be vastly foolish.
However, if people wish to repeat the same old mistakes over and over and over again without end, that is their choice to choose the evil religion of aggression, brutality, and slavery for eternity. I would rather see the human species evolve at some point beyond club wielding mental defects. "Societies" of initiations of force have probably existed since we huddled in caves. How progressive and liberal we have become.
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How about a shooter's license (based on lessens, exams, psychological evaluation etc.) everyone has to get before being allowed to have a gun? I mean, people are not even allowed to drive cars without a license, and cars take lives, too.
Yep. Humans have become trained to be good little animals in service and obedience to the Deity of GODvernment. MOOOO!
You have gun control in Portugal. Enjoy it and leave those of us in the US with our 2nd Amendment ALONE! Those breaking the laws are the ones who need further restrictions, not law abiding citizens.
Forget your constant reference to Portugal, I would write exactly the same if i lived in the US...
At least you mention the reason for the dilemma, the amount of crime in your country, for which there are good reasons.
So you do not believe that people have a natural right to self-defense but just leave their fate to the government to determine if they live or die in a violent confrontation?
No. I would prefer addressing the causes of all the violent crime there. Plus developing weapons that don't kill, but merely temporarily incapacitate aggressors.
No. I would prefer addressing the causes of all the violent crime there. Plus developing weapons that don't kill, but merely temporarily incapacitate aggressors.
They exist, they are called Tasers. Yet, many states outlaw these for civillian possession and use.
How long of incapacitation is enough to escape the lethal threat? The purpose of self defense is to STOP the threat. Sometimes stopping involves killing. Just the way it is. Violent predators do not deter from mere temporary incapacitation. It will just **** them off to "ride the lightning" and the intended victim that does not get away is really screwed.
There is evil in this world and some of those present themselves in the form of sociopathic/psycopathic predators. No amount of explaining or sypathizing with thier personal plight in society is going to stop an attack in progress. Life is not all kubya.
If you don't want to be addressed as being in/from Portugal why advertise it? Why so defensive? It is obvious you d not respect the US Constitution regardless of your country of origin/citizenship. If you did you would not seek to further limit 2nd Amendment rights.
No. I would prefer addressing the causes of all the violent crime there. Plus developing weapons that don't kill, but merely temporarily incapacitate aggressors.
The cause of all violent crime? Mental defects who think that they have a right to initiate force. Until we can get the "aggression" gene removed from human DNA there will always be crime.
Life, health insurance, fire extinguishers, alarms on houses and cars are not the same thing as guns. Only a complete dipwad would make that argument. Who was the last person to be killed accidental by a car alarm. How does life insurance give you, a stranger, power to kill me any time you choose to if we're proximate...
As far as "no basis in fact" From the CDC:
The 2002 edition of Injury Facts from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics:
In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:
214 unintentional
1,078 suicides
1,990 homicides
83 for which the intent could not be determined
20 due to legal intervention
Of the total firearms-related deaths:
73 were of children under five years old
416 were children 5-14 years old
2,896 were 15-19 years old
Regarding the bogus term "hoplophobia." This was coined by a member of the gun-toters lobby... as a way of marginalizing opponents. It is not from any mental health professional, or recognized in the DSIV. Nice try. It seems to be defined by the "irrational fear of weapons." I think its completely rational to fear jingoistic morons toting weapons when I am a member of a minority group that has been subject to hate crime violence in the past...
Again, I believe it is still your right to carry if in accordance with local law... I just don't see the need to carry. I guess I am just not as scared of everything as you are.
As soon as you start calling names, you are dismissed in my mind. Your points are not valid. Just because guns are capable of killing you miss the point entirely and I doubt you can be taught. Your numbers are straight from The Brady Bunches made up BS so that can be completely ignored. Do you know they include gang members up to the age of 21 and criminals shot by police in those numbers? By the way, you say they have been killed by guns. No, wrong, they were killed by people shooting those guns. I guess as long as they are not killed by anything else, it's OK. Bye.
They exist, they are called Tasers. Yet, many states outlaw these for civillian possession and use.
How long of incapacitation is enough to escape the lethal threat? The purpose of self defense is to STOP the threat. Sometimes stopping involves killing. Just the way it is. Violent predators do not deter from mere temporary incapacitation. It will just **** them off to "ride the lightning" and the intended victim that does not get away is really screwed.
There is evil in this world and some of those present themselves in the form of sociopathic/psycopathic predators. No amount of explaining or sypathizing with thier personal plight in society is going to stop an attack in progress. Life is not all kubya.
If you don't want to be addressed as being in/from Portugal why advertise it? Why so defensive? It is obvious you d not respect the US Constitution regardless of your country of origin/citizenship. If you did you would not seek to further limit 2nd Amendment rights.
Up to 15 minutes maybe? Should be enough to call the police.
I don't believe in evil, there is always a reason why people act the way they do. I don't want a burglar to be killed, just because he broke into a home to steal stuff in order to finance his drug addiction, to mention just one scenario.
Again, you are ignoring the fact that even millions of Americans seek to further limit 2nd amendment rights, as you put it. It has nothing to do with nationality, but with different ideological, philosophical and other types of attitudes. There are gun fetishists over here, too, you know. I have not been to any country so far, where there are none.
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removed from human DNA there will always be crime.
