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anyway, manual laborers may literally "build a country" however, they arent responsible for building anything. they follow orders. without the people who give the orders, nothing is built.
to give credit to manual laborers for building the country is a joke.
how do you call my post stupid and then spit out this garbage? i dont say "screw the laborers." however, the laborers arent the ones responsible for getting the job done. they dont make the decisions, they didnt do the designs, they didnt finance the operation. they just do the labor. its an important part of the puzzle, but laborers are a lot easier to find than people who make it actually happen. look at mexico, full of laborers. however, they have to come to america for someone who can actually put them to work.
Your distinguishing of management from labor is clear, but since laborers are required to build, and they are people, they thus qualify as "those who built America." Separating the various tasks and duties involved in building the nation is irrelevant to this fact. You can make an ordered (and opinioned) list of people and involvement, but everyone on that list took part in the building of the US, regardless of their "importance."
its funny you think you made some kind of great point there. you just made up the notion that i would say "screw the laborers" and then nobody would build my home. there is no basis for that, i never said it.
No, but you said this: the laborers arent the ones responsible for getting the job done
That implies labor as being unnecessary. Of course, that's not true, mainly because your claim isn't true. Laborers are indeed responsible for getting the job done. That a worker takes his orders from someone else doesn't relieve him of his responsibilities.
Indeed, would you claim the GIs from WWII weren't responsible for defeating Germany and Japan?
Here's what Buchanan said, in reference to why affirmative action was a bad program.
“Well, I think white men were 100 percent of the people that wrote the Constitution, 100 percent of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, 100 percent of people who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Probably close to 100 percent of the people who died at Normandy…This has been a country built basically by white folks in this country who are 90 percent of the entire nation-in 1960, when I was growing up, Rachel-and the other 10 percent were African-American who had been discriminated against. That's why."
And what Maddow pointed out in response are the many significant contributions and sacrifices made by people who were not white in the building of this country.
I'm no Pat Buchanan fan, but--in essence--he's right. White Europeans fought for and created a Republic based on democracy. By the people and for the people. Never before in the history of the world had this been imagined, much less accomplished (ancient Greece, of course, but to a far lesser extent). The legal structure of the U.S. was fashioned after the British legal structure. This country's origins are foundationally Anglo-Saxon.
Having said that, it's also true that the infrastructure and economy of the country was built on the backs of slaves, native peoples and impoverished immigrants of all races.
So both Pat and Rachel are half-right. The problem is that the conservative (Pat) did not think his position through before speaking, thereby appearing to be racist. And the liberal (Rachel) argued an equally specious position, built on the rather simplistic willful blindness so common to the sanctimonious "left."
Just like anything else, smart people always find something to do the work they do not want to do, and if you are smart enough you hire people to do your work for you.
No, but you said this: the laborers arent the ones responsible for getting the job done
That implies labor as being unnecessary. Of course, that's not true, mainly because your claim isn't true. Laborers are indeed responsible for getting the job done. That a worker takes his orders from someone else doesn't relieve him of his responsibilities.
Indeed, would you claim the GIs from WWII weren't responsible for defeating Germany and Japan?
you see what you just did? you played a little game. you took one piece of my post and deliberately ignored another because it contradicted the point you wanted to make. i also said that labor is an important piece to the puzzle. you need labor. however, labor is easy to find. you will always be able to grab people to do some kind of work. putting together the planners and financers is much more difficult and that is what is needed to build a society.
labor may have physically built stuff, but the credit for the stuff being built doesnt really go to them.
you see what you just did? you played a little game. you took one piece of my post and deliberately ignored another because it contradicted the point you wanted to make. i also said that labor is an important piece to the puzzle. you need labor. however, labor is easy to find. you will always be able to grab people to do some kind of work. putting together the planners and financers is much more difficult and that is what is needed to build a society.
labor may have physically built stuff, but the credit for the stuff being built doesnt really go to them.
Should credit for the stuff being built go to the people actually physically doing the work? Shouldn't we acknowledge the craftsmen? Aren't the welders and bricklayers, the electricians and plumbers, the people who wear hardhats and toolbelts every bit as important as the people in the offices who assert, "We can do it!" If "we can do it" is important, then the people actually doing it should at least be acknowledged for their work, even if they don't get credit for what they've built. They may not get credited in history, but they take a deep and personal pride in their contributions. And it's a pride they've earned.
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