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Old 07-22-2009, 01:44 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Who said anything about a plan? You wrote: so who went out and got the uneducated labor to get the job done? I answered that question. If you had asked, "Who put together a plan?" my answer would have been different.
playing games. you understood what i meant and chose to go with a cute answer instead.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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playing games. you understood what i meant and chose to go with a cute answer instead.
No, I'm not playing games. I don't care what you meant. I answered what you wrote. If you're not writing clearly what you mean, perhaps it is you who are playing games.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
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No, I'm not playing games. I don't care what you meant. I answered what you wrote. If you're not writing clearly what you mean, perhaps it is you who are playing games.
it was clear, thats why you understood it perfectly fine. you just chose to play a game instead. if you really wanted to give an answer, you wouldnt have only wrote black tribal leaders. they rounded them up on the africa side but they were procured by whites in america who needed to get the work done.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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it was clear, thats why you understood it perfectly fine. you just chose to play a game instead. if you really wanted to give an answer, you wouldnt have only wrote black tribal leaders. they rounded them up on the africa side but they were procured by whites in america who needed to get the work done.
This is distasteful. It doesn't matter who captured these people, who transported them, or who purchased them. They were people, as good as anyone else, as smart as anyone else, as productive as anyone else, and they were used as livestock. To then diminish the hard work they performed and which helped to build this country, because in that period they were considered less than human is to diminish ourselves. Frankly, the idea that we first have to respect ourselves before we can respect others is garbage. Respect is an acknowledgment of equality and is as dependent on respecting others as it is on our own personal self-esteem.

Just because they were a small minority of the population up until 1960 does not mean that it's okay to say that they, or their contributions, were inferior. Uniformity does not make one superior. A majority of people making the majority of contributions does not make the minority inferior, nor does it make their contributions inferior, it only makes their contributions lesser in number.

A society that only selectively acknowledges the contributions of its members isn't fostering superiority of one group over another, it is fostering discrimination by one group towards another. When this country was founded, and half the population was women, do we now say that this country was built by white men. Because since the women were disenfranchised and not credited for their contributions, should we ignore their contributions? Is it okay when it's done to women, but not to men? Is it okay when it's done to blacks, but not to whites?
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:01 PM
 
Location: MIA
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Rachel Maddow Eviscerates Pat Buchanan Again - rachel maddow - Gawker

Those who were against Affirmative Action, this should change your mind on the issue. Well at least the very least it should change your pro patriotic view.
Does the left in the U.S. have a female hate spewing ideologue that doesn't look like a butch femme?
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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Having said that, it's also true that the infrastructure and economy of the country was built on the backs of slaves, native peoples and impoverished immigrants of all races.
Native Americans weren't really involved in any sort of infrastructure building, either were African slaves. African slaves were predominately involved in agriculture; slaves were never involved in heavy industry, factories, etc.
It was the immigrants from Europe who worked in the factories and such.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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this thread is the worst yet.

why anyone would want to deny hostorical facts is beyond me. smells of an agenda.

this country was built by lots of different folk. thats the reality.

for those downplaying the manual labor:
next time a firefighter saves a house or kitten or child i will go up to him and ask, "where is the inventor of the firehouse so i can thank HIM (and credit him) for saving this house"

admit, this country was built by many many peoples. whys that so hard for some people to do?

either way, this thread is awful. i really thought we were moving in a progressive direction, but apparently lots of people are stuck in jim crow days...
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:34 PM
 
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you dont fool me by throwing sharpton under the bus "blackandproud." you are more of a problem tham sharpton. a racially obsessed person that wants to blend into the mainstream by denouncing the "extremists." as far as im concerned, those people are worse than the extremists.

Here you go again, going the personal route AGAIN. Point to ANY of my posts where I've fed the racial meter. While your at it, look up ALL of my posts where i've distanced and denounced Sharpton's rhedoric. I'm not going to get into another personal attack thread with you AGAIN. I just don't have time to entertain someone else's ignorance.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Washington
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Does the left in the U.S. have a female hate spewing ideologue that doesn't look like a butch femme?
Wow, homophobic insults. Im not a big fan of the American left, but its no freaking wonder the American right has the public perception as being bigoted right now.

That being said, this thread is a nightmare. It seems to bring out the worst and most hateful in all parties, white and non-white.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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That being said, this thread is a nightmare. It seems to bring out the worst and most hateful in all parties, white and non-white.
Agree 100%.

This thread manages to insult everyone.
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