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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 08-31-2022, 02:57 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Cold War era mentality is at play, one of the many reasons why Finland and Sweden joined NATO.
Neutral nations like Sweden and Finland finally being driven into NATO shows where the real problem is and its not Ukraine or Europe or the USA.

Former KGB agent V. Putin is still fighting the Cold War. Meanwhile he is ignoring the real long term threat to Russia and its not the US or the other Democracies. It is how to deal with the rise of China.

Year 2028 - A Chinese University Scholar will find a mysterious previously unknown map from the Han Dynasty that shows complete 100% proof of ancient Chinese claims to all of Mongolia, Central Asia and Russian Siberia......
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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So who is "winning" and who is "losing"?
I think America lost the war years ago. We're just not being told directly as to keep enough tax dollars rolling in so there is Billions to send to other countries.
They won by taking our $ not blowing up buildings.
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:07 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I'll just point out that inflation was rising, energy prices were rising and California was having rolling blackouts prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:18 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I'll just point out that inflation was rising, energy prices were rising and California was having rolling blackouts prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
But the WH will tell you otherwise. The media will tell you otherwise.
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:35 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The media is so skewed and full of propaganda that none of us really know what is going on and who has the upper hand.
Oh, I know.
You could ask me.




(Anyone else remember back in the olden days when Rooskateers knew who was going to win the war?)
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:45 PM
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The media is so skewed and full of propaganda that none of us really know what is going on and who has the upper hand.
There are places where you can get a good idea of what is going on. TASS, RT, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN and PBS are not those places.
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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News release from the Pentagon regarding the NASAMS contract for Ukraine.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-St...l-aid-ukraine/
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Old 08-31-2022, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Deny's update today 8/31...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgHS9MKJg0
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Old 08-31-2022, 04:14 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The only thing that Russia has lost is man power, 15,000 - 20,000 military deaths, a staggering amount of loss, but remember this is a country that lost 15 million+ during WW2, they're never going to give up on Ukraine.

Aside from that, the Ruble is the strongest it's been in 4-5 years. They have plenty of buyers of their energy priced in rubles, meanwhile Europe is still in the same position that they were before the war, dependent on outsiders for energy needs. Their economy is on the brink from high energy costs.
You don't know what you are talking about.
The "value" of the ruble is irrelevant, since it is of no value outside of Russia.
Russia has sealed its fate by using oil and gas supply as a weapon. EU is now converting to LNG and will never use Russian pipe gas again, so what good are the thousands of miles of gas line?... None. They will never be used again after 2023. LNG can be provided by several countries - QATAR, USA, Australia.


Russia must accept a 30% discount on energy. This is the beginning of the end for Russian oil/gas sales. The companies with the expertise to design and build LG plants have left Russia. They have no ability to build it themselves.
Between Russia's impending demographic decline and the impending decline in oil/gas revenue, Russia is doomed to become a larger version of North Korea.
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Old 08-31-2022, 04:31 PM
 
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There are places where you can get a good idea of what is going on. TASS, RT, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN and PBS are not those places.
Care to provide a short list?
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