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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.57%
No 258 50.79%
Unsure 49 9.65%
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Old 11-22-2023, 09:53 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Russia continues to struggle.
Unemployment is reported at 3.5%. That's because one million workers left the country and 300,000 were drafted into the army. So workers are not be be found, and most who left the country will not return.

As a result of the worker shortage, wages are up sharply - 15% over last year, in fact.
With manufacturing costs spiraling upward Factory Gate (that's wholesale) prices are up 12% and rising. That will cause inflation.
Inflation is already seen in Russia since their prime interest rate is at 15%. Another generator of inflation is the fall of the Ruble. It is worth about 1.1 cent and holding steady. That makes the dollar and the Euro worth about 50% more in the last year.
The demographic collapse of Russia began in the 90s when the USSR collapsed and people began to realize Mother Russia could no longer care of them. The population pyramid shows the problem clearly.
Russia will never recover from this debacle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5K2rvUpWY&t=1209s
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Old 11-22-2023, 09:58 AM
 
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Ukraine is a special project of the United States where the aim is to weaken (preferably to destroy) Russia. Ukraine is a tool that is being used to accomplish this. As for our problems in the homeland, who cares? The aim is to destroy Russia at any cost including destroying ourselves. As American citizens, we must make heavy sacrifices to achieve the destruction of Russia. Inflation, loss of jobs, infrastructure decline, hunger and instability must be stoically endured to achieve that noble end.

Just think, what a wonderful Christmas present the destruction of Russia would make for us. That should warm our hearts as many Americans stand without jobs and homeless around bonfires and garbage can fires trying to stay warm. They would understand that the money used to prop up Ukraine that would have otherwise have been used to help ordinary Americans and American homeland interests was well spent.

Well, Christmas is about a month away and the Ukrainians have established a bridgehead. Perhaps they will make some progress in the face of Russian thermobaric missiles exploding around them and would manage to crack through the heavy Russian defenses. One can hope. Maybe the Ukrainian Army, which is now more egalitarian than any other army in the world since it now contains women (even pregnant ones), overage men who would be more comfortable in rocking chairs, and underage boys, can manage to reach Moscow, unseat Putin, and then destroy Russia by tearing it apart. Zelensky and Biden would be so pleased. Just think about it as you warm yourself by the fire. Perhaps that would happen by Christmas?

But even if it doesn't, it would have been a good try worthy of a sturdy participation trophy. The billions of dollars sent to Ukraine would really not have been wasted. Top officials have skimmed their share of that money for themselves. Especially Zelensky who now has more than enough money to retire, and mansions in Florida and Italy, if not more (one can lose count). So don't worry about him. He will be fine if Ukraine unravels. So the money isn't really wasted. It also would have fueled our imaginations in what could have been, which alone would have made this endeavor exceedingly worth it.
I am so glad that we refused to reassure Putin on Ukraine and NATO, because now we can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian!
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Old 11-22-2023, 11:03 AM
 
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I am so glad that we refused to reassure Putin on Ukraine and NATO, because now we can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian!
Exactly correct! We don't have to use our own US troops to fight Putin, just the disposable Ukrainians. Ingenuity at its finest. Of course, US troops might be brought in when Ukrainian forces collapse, but that is unlikely since we're moving our military assets to the Middle East for the showdown there with Iran.
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Old 11-22-2023, 11:42 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I am so glad that we refused to reassure Putin on Ukraine and NATO, because now we can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian!
I think it's high time than inane remark, that we hear so often, receives a reply.


Lessee, the population of Ukraine is 37.2M according to Worldometer. That's probably pretty accurate.
Ukraine has lost, let's say, 200,000 people in 18 months, so that would be about 130,000 per year.
37.2M/130K = 206 years.
Sounds good to me.
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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well, it looks like we are calling Putin's bluff on crossing the 'red line'..we're sending over a shiny brand new HIMARS and a few long range missiles along with it..hope they have good success..

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraines-ne...d-line-1845830
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:25 PM
 
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well, it looks like we are calling Putin's bluff on crossing the 'red line'..we're sending over a shiny brand new HIMARS and a few long range missiles along with it..hope they have good success..

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraines-ne...d-line-1845830
Putin bluff means nothing as he knows that Russian military doesn't have a chances against NATO.
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Near the State Capital
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Putin bluff means nothing as he knows that Russian military doesn't have a chances against NATO.
No chance, ok.
Then why is the idea being circulated in the media that after Ukraine Putin will inevitably attack nearest NATO’s countries: Poland, Lithuania, etc.?
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Old 11-22-2023, 01:08 PM
 
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No chance, ok.
Then why is the idea being circulated in the media that after Ukraine Putin will inevitably attack nearest NATO’s countries: Poland, Lithuania, etc.?
Idea being circulated by who?
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Old 11-22-2023, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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I think it's high time than inane remark, that we hear so often, receives a reply.


Lessee, the population of Ukraine is 37.2M according to Worldometer. That's probably pretty accurate.
Ukraine has lost, let's say, 200,000 people in 18 months, so that would be about 130,000 per year.
37.2M/130K = 206 years.
Sounds good to me.

Say half a million. but make up whatever number suits ya.
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Old 11-22-2023, 02:33 PM
 
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No chance, ok.
Then why is the idea being circulated in the media that after Ukraine Putin will inevitably attack nearest NATO’s countries: Poland, Lithuania, etc.?
Because Russia keeps saying things like this:
https://www.businessinsider.com/puti...-poland-2023-7

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rs-2023-02-24/

"Victory will be achieved. We all want it to happen as soon as possible. And that day will come," said Medvedev. He predicted that tough negotiations with Ukraine and the West would follow that would culminate in "some kind of agreement."

But he said that deal would lack what he called "fundamental agreements on real borders" and not amount to an over-arching European security pact, making it vital for Russia to extend its own borders now.

"That is why it is so important to achieve all the goals of the special military operation. To push back the borders that threaten our country as far as possible, even if they are the borders of Poland," said Medvedev.
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