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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 08-15-2023, 12:59 PM
 
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Sounds like someone ( namely michiganmoon) found a perfect word that describes today's Ukrainian state.



"Orwellian is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, disinformation, denial of truth"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian
Nyet.

It describes present day Russia to a T.....
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Old 08-15-2023, 01:32 PM
 
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Nyet.

It describes present day Russia to a T.....

That's what propaganda would love you to believe in, however the place where people are grabbed from the streets, shoved in the unmarked cars and catered off to the front lines, unless they pay off thousands to save their lives - that's "free and democratic" Ukraine, not Russia.
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Old 08-15-2023, 01:35 PM
 
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That's what propaganda would love you to believe in, however the place where people are grabbed from the streets, shoved in the unmarked cars and catered off to the front lines, unless they pay off thousands to save their lives - that's "free and democratic" Ukraine, not Russia.
Your right. Russia is forcing their people to the front lines in a draft.
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Old 08-15-2023, 02:15 PM
 
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Oh no...
not Odessa...please...

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/s...28923606315008
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Old 08-15-2023, 02:25 PM
 
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Are you missing the flying Russian tank turret? This isn't a tank, but the top flew high up when the vehicle hit a mine.


https://youtu.be/SMyrQmYC2Hg
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Old 08-15-2023, 03:06 PM
 
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Russia is starting to make noises about leasing Crimea as part of a peace treaty. It shows that Russia is starting to realize things arent going how they want at all. And I doubt Ukraine would agree-they want russia out.
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Old 08-15-2023, 03:28 PM
 
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Your right. Russia is forcing their people to the front lines in a draft.

Does Russia make them pay off the recruiters too?
Does Russia make Ukrainian recruiters to take money in order to let people live?
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Old 08-15-2023, 03:33 PM
 
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Russia is starting to make noises about leasing Crimea as part of a peace treaty. It shows that Russia is starting to realize things arent going how they want at all. And I doubt Ukraine would agree-they want russia out.

Links please, because I hear different *noises* - such as from some NATO official. Acceptance of loss of territories by Ukraine in exchange of joining NATO.



https://unherd.com/thepost/nato-offi...join-alliance/


https://tass.com/world/1660943
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Old 08-15-2023, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Are you missing the flying Russian tank turret? This isn't a tank, but the top flew high up when the vehicle hit a mine.


https://youtu.be/SMyrQmYC2Hg
On telegram I saw drone footage of it dropping a grenade right on the rusniks riding on top of their BMP. Oh man, it was something!
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Old 08-15-2023, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Denys update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q21CijV-RQQ
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