Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 209 40.04%
No 263 50.38%
Unsure 50 9.58%
Voters: 522. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-01-2023, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
7,817 posts, read 2,769,294 times
Reputation: 3388

Advertisements

ISW Update 7/31/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-july-31-2023

Quote:
Jul 31, 2023 - Press ISW

The Wagner Group may be supplanting the Russian military as the Belarusian military’s key training partner. The Belarusian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on July 30 that Wagner personnel conducted company-level training with unspecified elements of multiple Belarusian mechanized brigades. The training included tactical maneuver for dismounted infantry and focused on force concealment from enemy UAVs and coordination between companies, platoons, and squads. The training also reportedly featured Belarusian infantry conducting a combined arms assault with tank and artillery support. The Wagner Group’s new role in Belarusian company-level training is notable. The Belarusian military typically conducts such exercises with Russian trainers and relies on Russian planners for any multi-brigade exercises, which ISW has not yet observed Wagner Group participating in. ISW previously observed Wagner personnel training with a Belarusian airborne brigade that historically trains with the Russian 76th Airborne (VDV) Division and forecasted that the Wagner Group may seek to supplant legacy Russian–Belarusian unit relationships.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-01-2023, 10:40 AM
 
51,806 posts, read 26,130,999 times
Reputation: 38131
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adhom View Post
First of all, if NATO decided to attack Russia, how does it become WW3? Also, NATO has enough troops to fully defeat Russia without mobilization. Russia knows this. This is why Russia does not dare harm a single target in NATO.

WW3? What nonsense.

If Russia attacks NATO there will be no more Russia.

NATO nations will jump at the chance. They've been gaming this out for years.

WW3? Ha ha ha.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
6,367 posts, read 3,500,156 times
Reputation: 4452
Quote:
Originally Posted by andywire View Post
They knew better than to get into a hot war with Russia back in the day. Today's democrats have no wisdom or capacity for forward thinking. It's all about their emotions and how they feel at this very moment. They are driven by the pursuit of pleasure and instant gratification, not logic. It's a very dangerous defect for a leader to have, but they all too often get elected because they are the best at making fantastically unrealistic promises.
A great number of republicans support the war in Ukraine.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
6,367 posts, read 3,500,156 times
Reputation: 4452
Quote:
Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
WW3? What nonsense.

If Russia attacks NATO there will be no more Russia.

NATO nations will jump at the chance. They've been gaming this out for years.

WW3? Ha ha ha.
Are you sure about of that?
Like the League of Nations before the United Nations and now NATO. They would most likely sit on the hands crying why doesn't the United States do more to protect them in a time of need?

Most of NATO nations wouldn't even support the organization with the required monetary contribution until Trump put pressure on them to pony up to what they owed according to the NATO charter.
Take a good look how the US is supporting Ukraine with military hardware and how NATO countries are supporting with military hardware, especially along the Ukraine border countries and the rest of the EU.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 11:17 AM
 
1,813 posts, read 2,251,592 times
Reputation: 2466
Quote:
Originally Posted by rantiquity View Post
Are you sure about of that?
Like the League of Nations before the United Nations and now NATO. They would most likely sit on the hands crying why doesn't the United States do more to protect them in a time of need?

Most of NATO nations wouldn't even support the organization with the required monetary contribution until Trump put pressure on them to pony up to what they owed according to the NATO charter.
Take a good look how the US is supporting Ukraine with military hardware and how NATO countries are supporting with military hardware, especially along the Ukraine border countries and the rest of the EU.
That's not what Trump was complaining about and not how NATO works. Trump was complaining that certain nations were not spending enough on their own defense as a percentage of GDP as agreed. NOT about monetary contributions to NATO.

Obama complained about this as well and he succeeded in getting some countries to spend more. Germany was the big issue and since the invasion of Ukraine has pledged to spend much more.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 11:19 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
25,861 posts, read 17,633,452 times
Reputation: 37814
Russia's maritime blockade of Ukraine is not going well. They were never capable of such a thing in the first place; their naval presence is not large enough.
There are several reports of civilian ships just going about their business, some with NATO aircraft flying cover.
I'm surprised. I didn't think civilian firms would take the chance.


Meanwhile, in Niger, there has been a coup, with the elected leader being held prisoner by his former military guards. Wagner, who may be behind the whole idea, supports the coup and encourages Niger to be rid of western influence. Niger, for its part, engages in trade with the west amounting to thousands of millions of dollars.
Niger's neighbors, Burkina Faso and Mali, who have also been taken over by military units, support the coup and threaten anyone trying to reinstate the elected leader in Niger.


The collapse of Russia cannot come fast enough for me. The world will be safer with an impoverished Russia.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 11:24 AM
 
8,232 posts, read 3,788,483 times
Reputation: 2771
Quote:
Originally Posted by rantiquity View Post
Are you sure about of that?
Like the League of Nations before the United Nations and now NATO. They would most likely sit on the hands crying why doesn't the United States do more to protect them in a time of need?

Most of NATO nations wouldn't even support the organization with the required monetary contribution until Trump put pressure on them to pony up to what they owed according to the NATO charter.
Take a good look how the US is supporting Ukraine with military hardware and how NATO countries are supporting with military hardware, especially along the Ukraine border countries and the rest of the EU.
Do you understand how NATO works?

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/t...5.htm#indirect

Direct funding is a tiny amount.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 11:29 AM
 
8,232 posts, read 3,788,483 times
Reputation: 2771
Quote:
Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
Russia's maritime blockade of Ukraine is not going well. They were never capable of such a thing in the first place; their naval presence is not large enough.
There are several reports of civilian ships just going about their business, some with NATO aircraft flying cover.
I'm surprised. I didn't think civilian firms would take the chance.


Meanwhile, in Niger, there has been a coup, with the elected leader being held prisoner by his former military guards. Wagner, who may be behind the whole idea, supports the coup and encourages Niger to be rid of western influence. Niger, for its part, engages in trade with the west amounting to thousands of millions of dollars.
Niger's neighbors, Burkina Faso and Mali, who have also been taken over by military units, support the coup and threaten anyone trying to reinstate the elected leader in Niger.


The collapse of Russia cannot come fast enough for me. The world will be safer with an impoverished Russia.
They (Niger) were probably not very fond of that influence during the 1900-1958 period. What do you think, lol.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 11:43 AM
 
5,235 posts, read 3,199,773 times
Reputation: 11170
Quote:
Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
WW3? What nonsense.

If Russia attacks NATO there will be no more Russia.

NATO nations will jump at the chance. They've been gaming this out for years.

WW3? Ha ha ha.
Yes of course, when Poland, Hungary, Türkiye, and China jump in to claim what’s “theirs” from the carcass, it will be a world-wide laugh fest (as opposed to WWIII).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-01-2023, 12:10 PM
 
51,806 posts, read 26,130,999 times
Reputation: 38131
Quote:
Originally Posted by rantiquity View Post
Are you sure about of that?
Like the League of Nations before the United Nations and now NATO. They would most likely sit on the hands crying why doesn't the United States do more to protect them in a time of need?

Most of NATO nations wouldn't even support the organization with the required monetary contribution until Trump put pressure on them to pony up to what they owed according to the NATO charter.
Take a good look how the US is supporting Ukraine with military hardware and how NATO countries are supporting with military hardware, especially along the Ukraine border countries and the rest of the EU.
Good, Lord.

Finland, Poland, ... are not going to sit on their hands crying about the US. Luxembourg might. Maybe Slovenia.

You are still confused about NATO. Trump lied about the "required money contribution." In 2014. NATO leaders agreed to increase spending towards 2% of their GDP on defense within a decade. Six nations have done that. Another five are close and closing the gap.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...ally%20Finland.

Please write this info down on a notecard so you can can remind yourself every time you get ready to post Trump's lie about NATO again.

As to your hope that NATO will be as ineffective as League of Nations and the UN is stopping Russia's agression, dare to dream.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top