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According to an unnamed source in the US administration the Russians we're talking to behind closed doors are struggling to say exactly what victory or defeat looks like. If true, it does seem like it would be hard to maintain morale if the goals are vague. Even stopping NATO expansion is somewhat abstract and not tangible enough for many to die over.
It's true, and it's all on Putin.
The reason he doesn't want to clearly identify the goals for Russians ( and for the army first of all,) is because he wants his government to look victorious, no matter what sort of victory it is.
If Ukrainian and Russian troops had clashed in Donetsk, this city would have been destroyed as much as Mariupol. Ukrainian propaganda is getting sillier and more primitive. Donetsk is being steadily shot at. People are dying, including children. The city authorities are eliminating local consequences. Admire it.
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I will say about your PS comment, at this point yeh you're absolutely right...this Ukraine war will absolutely sink Russia, provided it goes on long enough to. That's definitely the US plan now, yep.
The US is totally at Russia's mercy on this. Russia can leave Ukraine at any time, and there's nothing the US can do to stop them.
What a gut punch that would be. Russia forcing peace on Ukraine would save Russia many billions of dollars/rubles and totally disrupt the USA's plans.
A-yup, the USA has backed themselves into a corner this time.
No no no my friend, don't start sending us off to links, a simple explanation on your part should do.
If you want to know the "plan" for a "color revolution" in Moscow, read the RAND study. America is constantly planning coups/revolutions. There are probably 50 countries we're trying to overthrow right now. The only reason our regime-change wars failed in the Middle-East was because Russia/China supported the Taliban/Iran/Syria/etc.
No no no my friend, don't start sending us off to links, a simple explanation on your part should do. Again, how did Ukraine pose a threat to Russia prior to Russia backing a rebellion in Donbas and seizing Ukrainian territory (Crimea)? Was there evidence for Ukraine planning a Russian invasion, or were they a state sponsor of terrorism on Russian land? Were they conducting an economic blockade of Russia?
If you can't explain this in simple terms, you ain't got jack, man.
I can explain it to you in simple terms.
The whole ideology of Ukrainian new government was anti-Russian in its core. This was the idea behind the new "Ukrainian state" - gradual destruction of Russia with the help of the "Western powers."
It was seething with hatred to Russia - it was enough to listen to freaks on Ukrainian TV, such as Farion, Poturayev, Sokolova and the rest.
It was enough to listen to the way Ukrainian ideology was conditioning its children - this is for you in Russian, https://www.vesti.ru/article/2646156
You of course can say that it's all "marginal" as "Azov" is marginal but it's really not.
ALL OF IT was nicely incorporated into the "free and democratic" Ukrainian state.
It was simply inconvenient for your personal beliefs to take note of any of it.
So this is the spiritual side of why Ukrainian state was potentially dangerous for Russia.
When it comes to the practical side of it - it's even easier to explain.
Sevastopol's naval military port going for NATO's use, Ukrainian agricultural ramped-up production and exports suffocating the Russian ones, Ukrainian natural resources ( energy first of all) used against the Russian ones, and of course the NATO bases being moved as close to Russian border as it gets.
So I hope NOW it's easy enough for you to understand why Ukraine posed an existential threat to Russia.
The educational system, which is normally a country's pathway to the future, is falling apart in Russia.
At a time when Russia needs to become self-sufficient, it finds very limited access to well educated people and no access at all to western technology because of sanctions.
In other words, Russia needs its own people. As a result of the war, over 1.2M of the most needed
people have left. Some of the student protestors have been sent to the front lines, so protests are no longer seen.
And it's not limited to students. A professor is interviewed who pointed out that science in Russia is dead, and he, himself, was fired and has not been seen.
The destruction of the Russian education system is not a new phenomenon. Every year since 2014 the number of university students has decreased. It has gone from 5.4M in 2014 to 4.0M today, and without an educated populace there is virtually no chance that a sanctioned and isolated Russia can develop its own technology.
There are 19M college students in the US, with a population of 325M.
There are 4M college students in Russia with a population of 142M.
The educational system, which is normally a country's pathway to the future, is falling apart in Russia.
At a time when Russia needs to become self-sufficient, it finds very limited access to well educated people and no access at all to western technology because of sanctions.
In other words, Russia needs its own people. As a result of the war, over 1.2M of the most needed
people have left. Some of the student protestors have been sent to the front lines, so protests are no longer seen.
And it's not limited to students. A professor is interviewed who pointed out that science in Russia is dead, and he, himself, was fired and has not been seen.
The destruction of the Russian education system is not a new phenomenon. Every year since 2014 the number of university students has decreased. It has gone from 5.4M in 2014 to 4.0M today, and without an educated populace there is virtually no chance that a sanctioned and isolated Russia can develop its own technology.
There are 19M college students in the US, with a population of 325M.
There are 4M college students in Russia with a population of 142M.
The destruction of the Russian system of education came with the Americanization of it, plain and simple, all the way down to the public schools.
Once the old Soviet system of education ( which was in essence German system of education retained from Tzarist times by Stalin) was replaced with American one, including all these "SATs" type of tests, the quality of knowledge and preparedness for higher education of students went significantly down.
Another significant blow to the quality of Russian education was the new ability to PURCHASE higher education.
All of it explains the drop in the level of engineering and science in Russia first of all.
But it's all on Putin and his love of commercialism above all.
The whole ideology of Ukrainian new government was anti-Russian in its core. This was the idea behind the new "Ukrainian state" - gradual destruction of Russia with the help of the "Western powers."
It was seething with hatred to Russia - it was enough to listen to freaks on Ukrainian TV, such as Farion, Poturayev, Sokolova and the rest.
It was enough to listen to the way Ukrainian ideology was conditioning its children - this is for you in Russian, https://www.vesti.ru/article/2646156
You of course can say that it's all "marginal" as "Azov" is marginal but it's really not.
ALL OF IT was nicely incorporated into the "free and democratic" Ukrainian state.
It was simply inconvenient for your personal beliefs to take note of any of it.
So this is the spiritual side of why Ukrainian state was potentially dangerous for Russia.
When it comes to the practical side of it - it's even easier to explain.
Sevastopol's naval military port going for NATO's use, Ukrainian agricultural ramped-up production and exports suffocating the Russian ones, Ukrainian natural resources ( energy first of all) used against the Russian ones, and of course the NATO bases being moved as close to Russian border as it gets.
So I hope NOW it's easy enough for you to understand why Ukraine posed an existential threat to Russia.
"Existential threat to Russia" .....sure...sure....
Even if Ukraine hated Russia...(and who doesn't )....how is that an existential threat to Russia?
And if Ukraine kinda hated Russia before ....they certainly hate them much more now......that's for sure!
As for NATO.....Putin bungled big time .....now he's getting more NATO....much stronger and united.
Yeh, that's the fookin point bruh, Russian "liberation" is bringing destruction to Ukraine's Russian speaking communities.
It's not Russian "liberation" that brought the destruction of Donetsk - here you are trying to get smart, it's Ukrainian Nazi that destroy this city and its inhabitants with vengeance, because it's still within their reach.
I have to say though, that Putin's failure to accomplish his "special military operation" because of the poor preparedness for it, brought the most suffering onto the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine - the ones he claimed he wanted to protect.
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)....how is that an existential threat to Russia?