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Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least four sectors of the front made marginal advances on July 3. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Ukrainian forces also conducted counteroffensive operations in the Lyman direction. Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces continue counteroffensive operations the Bakhmut area, the western Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast. Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces recaptured nine square kilometers of territory in eastern Ukraine, and geolocated footage shows that Ukrainian forces have advanced southwest of Bakhmut. Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces also recaptured 28.4 square kilometers in southern Ukraine in the past week for a total of 158.4 square kilometers in southern Ukraine during an unspecified time period. A Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces made limited gains south of Orikhiv in western Zaporizhia Oblast
Western Russia has climate, not much different from Minnesota. Unless you go like real far north there. More fair to say, back in Napolon and WW2 times, it was total lack of developed roads infrastructure and muddy terrains. General Frost is apologism, not really a factor.
Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces also recaptured 28.4 square kilometers in southern Ukraine in the past week for a total of 158.4 square kilometers in southern Ukraine during an unspecified time period.
Wow! that's the result of a month by now offensive? At cost of how many thousands killed? That's 12 x 12 km square. That's seven by seven miles. THAT'S IT? Like seriously? All the trumpeting about victory for that?
Yes, correct is Newsweek, when they said, it'll take them 16 YEARS to get back occupied territory. Of course, in SIX years, there will be no Ukrainians left to fight that fight anyway.
I don't know about that. Its a LONG way from Poland to Moscow. Our Airforce would crush theirs and their army, but it would still be a long slog and would be impossible to totally win if they chose to do guerilla warfare. Just because you take Russia from St. Petersburg to Volgograd doesn't mean you have won. Just too big a country.
We would "win", but likely wouldn't "defeat" them, just like Vietnam.
Wouldn't be anything like Vietnam. We would lose. Too many Western powers have made the mistake of thinking a Russian invasion would be easy. They all where defeated and sent back home. The Russians are just a different bunch. They spent a large chunk of their history fighting Eastern barbarians. Technological and organizational advantage mean little when the battle becomes a slugfest, and Russians have shown through out their history they are good at this type of warfare.
Russia was saved twice in history by its winters. Saved them from Napoleon and Hitler.
They still have those winters, but now they have nukes as well. I don't see anyone trying to invade the Russian mainland again...
It's not just the nukes. The Russians have conventional arms to inflict a heavy toll on NATO. Not to mention a fight to the very last man mentality. Too many Western powers have been arrogant in seeing the Russians as easily beatable. All were sent home packing. I doubt NATO could establish air superiority. Mobile platforms, sub launched missiles, and hypersonic weapons would allow Russia to target enemy positions and aircraft from far away. We can't use the U.S. latest wars because the U.S. only goes to war with nations that have no ability to fight back in a meaningful way. When was the last time we faced an opponent with an actual NAVY.
Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces also recaptured 28.4 square kilometers in southern Ukraine in the past week for a total of 158.4 square kilometers in southern Ukraine during an unspecified time period.
Wow! that's the result of a month by now offensive? At cost of how many thousands killed? That's 12 x 12 km square. That's seven by seven miles. THAT'S IT? Like seriously? All the trumpeting about victory for that?
Yes, correct is Newsweek, when they said, it'll take them 16 YEARS to get back occupied territory. Of course, in SIX years, there will be no Ukrainians left to fight that fight anyway.
Every kilometer they kill Russians. Good enough for me. Let them die.
Send the body bags back to Mother Russia piled up.
Russian forces are having hard time even defending against not that well equipped Ukrainian military that doesn't have air superiority and you think that Russia would somehow able to win against American ground forces?
Why not, the Taliban did. And they didn't have nearly the amount of weapons, intelligence, or manpower. The results of U.S. conflicts since WWII have been mixed at best. Plenty of Ls in the mix. Why some people are still so arrogant to believe we can run over any country amazes me.
It's not just the nukes. The Russians have conventional arms to inflict a heavy toll on NATO. Not to mention a fight to the very last man mentality. Too many Western powers have been arrogant in seeing the Russians as easily beatable. All were sent home packing. I doubt NATO could establish air superiority. Mobile platforms, sub launched missiles, and hypersonic weapons would allow Russia to target enemy positions and aircraft from far away. We can't use the U.S. latest wars because the U.S. only goes to war with nations that have no ability to fight back in a meaningful way. When was the last time we faced an opponent with an actual NAVY.
Russia is mired down in freaking Ukraine, they launched a winter offensive and got Bakhmut (I launched a winter military offensive in Ukraine and all I got was this lousy t-shirt from Bakhmut). And they just had a mutiny that marched 600 km towards Moscow virtually unopposed and the man responsible for it is "living" in Minsk. They can barely take a heavy toll on Ukraine and you think NATO would be at a disadvantage. Russia has simply humiliated itself on the world stage.
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