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Where have you been? That's exactly what Russia attempted. That's what the run on Kyiv was all about.
As to the rest of that gibberish,
No, the military forces positioned around Kyev was a show of force in the early stages of the conflict to better facilitate the insistence for negotiations which petered out back in April last year courtesy of Boris Johnson. Russia has no interest in annexing a population in Western Ukraine that's hostile to it.
Don't tell me that these aren't real tangible issues because they are and groups like the United States state department and CIA have a track record for this kind of subterfuge.
In P’yatykhatky, Tekhov Aivengo, Russian Deputy Commander of the Storm Ossetia Battalion, along with almost an entire battalion of some 300, are no longer living.
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Ukrainians have been clear from the get go that they are taking back their land, and that includes Crimea.
Russians can fight to the bitter end, but it will make no more difference than it did in P’yatykhatky.
Still firmly in the Russian camp I see.......the pay must be good.
Yes, everyone who doesn't unconditionally support Ukraine and doesn't believe Ukrainians are slaughtering Russians at a 10-to-1 ratio is paid by Putin.
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Russian bots are something else. It took Russia almost a year to take Balkmut. Ukrainian offensive has barely began and they say it already fails.
Because it is a stupid comparison. Russia was using its massive artillery advantage to wear down Ukrainian lines in an attrition war in Bakhmut. Ukraine is doing a frontal assault with hundreds of western tanks into fortified Russian positions, hoping to find a weak point.
The Ukrainian strategy is utterly retarded and unsustainable. Had Ukraine continued what it was doing the first week, it would have been completely out of mechanized forces after a month. Russia could have kept fighting in Bakhmut indefinitely.
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
If Russia stops fighting, there's no more war. If Ukraine stops fighting, there's no more Ukraine.
This war almost ended a year ago when Ukraine nearly agreed to neutrality brokered by Turkey. Which is the one thing required to have prevented this war. Instead, the Ukrainian negotiator was murdered and the west(especially Boris Johnson) pushed Ukraine to keep fighting.
Start a war and then get a “third party negotiator” to broker a peace deal that grants you more territory than you started with before you invaded. Sounds like a great deal for Russia. These idiotic politicians in Turkey, Brazil and China need to s t f u with this BS. It’s accomplishing nothing but making them look like self fellating egomaniacs who want to put themselves in the spotlight instead of helping Ukraine defend themselves against an expansionist aggressor.
This war in Ukraine is stupid all around, but just popped in to say that Henry Kissinger is 100 freaking years old. He was 50 when he became Nixon's Secretary of State. Wonder if he had any inkling at the time that he was only halfway there in terms of his life? Last interview I heard with him, he was still pretty with it. We should all be so lucky.
Zaporozhye direction - the situation on 19.06.23 at 11.00
The enemy, after yesterday's relative operational pause, which he needed to regroup noticeably thinned assault groups (or rather, replace them with the following ones and restore order in units whose enthusiasm has greatly subsided), this morning, wave after wave is storming our positions in two directions - Rabotino and Pyatikhatki.
1. Rabotino. As before, our units beat off this enemy roll. Usually these waves are met by artillery, inflicting fire damage on them, and they roll back. But once it came to the "Solntsepekov" (which means they came close). So far, there have been no successes for the enemy here.
2. Pyatykhatki. Here the enemy, in the morning with a quick attack, took possession of our first line of trenches in the area of the settlement. Foals. Since they are already on the hill, it is very important for us to recapture them before the enemy can gain a foothold in them. That is why our army aviation and artillery are working very closely here now, and, obviously, an infantry counterattack will soon follow.
Veliko-Novoselovskoe direction - situation on 19.06.23 at 11.00
The second important direction, where the enemy does not stop trying to move forward, is the Veliko-Novoselovsky sector of the front. Last night and this morning, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in small groups (but constantly) "feel" our defenses between Novodonetsk and Urozhayny, as well as in the area of Rovnopol and Priyutny.
Everywhere so far without significant success.
Judging by the directions of the strikes, no one has yet canceled the task of reaching Staromlynovka, but the enemy’s forces for this have not yet been attracted enough (for serious success). True, it is too early for us to relax, since in its near rear there are still a large number of reserves that were supposed to build on the success of the assault groups, but which can easily be thrown to break through the front line of our defense.
In any case, the enemy is still able to conduct attacks with such intensity for weeks, and therefore the main events here, as well as in the Orekhovskoye direction (https://t.me/yurasumy/9363), are yet to come.
War in Ukraine (06/19/23 - evening): Orekhovo-Pyatikhatki - the enemy was thrown back to the starting lines everywhere
Today, as expected, very difficult battles went on all day in the Pyatikhatki area, which changed hands three times, but in the evening the enemy was forced to leave them again.
The same thing happened a little to the west (near Orekhovo). Here, by the end of the day, our units managed to knock out the enemy from all previously occupied positions, including the positions of outposts.
Thus, today was even a minus for the enemy, if we count the occupation of foreign territory.
A peace deal that grants you more territory than you started with before you invaded.
The question that first needs to be answered is, whose land is it? And before you answer, why? Because of the lines on a map? A thirty-year old agreement with a government that was overthrown in a US-backed coup? Because they voted thirty years ago to leave the Soviet Union when it went bankrupt?
It was well-known that Ukraine was a divided country with split loyalties. Many/most in the East see the Russians as their brothers. It's a shame what the United States did to Ukraine, and we knew exactly what we were doing when we did it.
"To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
The United States doesn't care about Ukrainians. We want them all to die, and they will.
My personal view is that if America wants to beat Russia, it should do it itself, instead of using impoverished morons in third-world countries to do the fighting for us by bribing their leaders.
It always amazes that these Ukrainian men who are kidnapped off the streets and sent to die in "probing attacks", or sitting in a trench waiting to get blown up by Russian artillery, don't murder their officers. The average Ukrainian can't possibly believe that forcing Crimea to be part of Ukraine is worth his life.
Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least three sectors of the frontline and made gains on June 19. A Russian milblogger reported that Ukrainian troops continued attacks northwest, northeast, and southwest of Bakhmut on June 19 claimed that Ukrainian forces advanced near Krasnopolivka (about 12km northeast of Bakhmut). Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar additionally announced that over the past week, Ukrainian troops in the Tavrisk (Zaporizhia) direction have advanced up to seven kilometers and liberated 113 square kilometers of territory, including eight settlements in western Donetsk and western Zaporizhia oblasts. Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian troops attacked south of Velyka Novosilka in western Donetsk Oblast. Geolocated footage posted on June 19 confirms that Ukrainian troops liberated Pyatykhatky, about 25km southwest of Orikhiv in western Zaporizhia Oblast. Milbloggers also reported fighting south and southwest of Orikhiv over the course of the day on June 19. The UK Ministry of Defense (MoD) assessed on June 19 that Russia has likely deployed large portions of the Dnipro Grouping of Forces from the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast to the Zaporizhia and Bakhmut directions to respond to Ukrainian counteroffensive actions over the past 10 days
Reading this morning about a tank that Russian soldiers packed with explosives and a remote detonator. The driver got it headed in the general direction of the Ukrainians, then jumped out.
Then they all watched as it hit one of their own mines, and exploded into a ball of flames.
SMFH
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