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This is a massive flood. To think that it will be cleaned up in a week is how to put it... not realistic.
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Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz
The floodwaters may last a week, but the mud and debris will take many months maybe years to clean up.
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Call it whatever you want. It was a brilliant move.
No one gives a **** how long it will take for the mud and debris to be cleaned up. Even if it took 10 years to clean up all of the debris it has no effect whatsoever on the military. I tried not to respond to your original post because I thought it was irrelevant but you continue to harp about nonsense.
And no it wasn't a "brilliant move" any more than it was a "brilliant move" for Russia to blow up its own pipeline. I'm 100% sure that you knew Putin did that one too for whatever cockamamy reasons you and the idiots you listen to came up with at the time.
And crossing the Dnieper was their least likely path of advance.
Nope it wasn't. This simply wreaks of desperation or some kind of botched operation from Russia...that's my take. It's suspicious that the Russians first bragged about blowing up the dam early this morning, but after realizing the scale of destruction started to deny it and then started to blame it on Ukraine. And given Russia has repeatedly attacked Ukrainian infrastructure throughout this war, this looks to be another Russian miscalculation of some kind.
So first, they destroyed their own pipeline, then shelled themselves at that nuclear plant, and now flooded their own positions. It all makes so much sense.
Damage to the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (KHPP) dam in the early hours of June 6 caused massive flooding of the Dnipro River delta, river wetlands, estuaries, and shoreline settlements in Kherson Oblast. Russian and Ukrainian sources began reporting loud noises resembling explosions emanating from the KHPP (across the Dnipro River in the Nova Kakhovka area about 55km northeast of Kherson City) between 0200 and 0230 local time on June 6, followed by reports of rushing water and an overall increase in the water level of the Dnipro. Ukraine’s Kherson Oblast Administration announced the evacuation of several raions (districts) of the west (right) bank of Kherson Oblast as of 0730 local time and reported that the Tyahinka, Odradokamianka, Beryslav, Ivanivka, Mykilske, Tokarivka, Ponyativka, Bilozerka, and Ostriv areas had been partially or completely flooded. Russian Kherson Oblast occupation officials announced the evacuation of the Nova Kakhovka, Hola Prystan, and Oleshky raions. Ukrainian officials noted that over 80 settlements are within the flood zone in Kherson Oblast. General Director of Ukraine’s hydroelectric power plant regulator Ukrhydroenergo Ihor Syrota said that water is draining from the Kakhovka Reservoir at a rate of 15-20cm an hour, which Syrota stated means that the reservoir will be entirely dry in the next four days. A researcher at the Ukrainian Department of Water Bioresources at the Kherson Oblast Agrarian and Economic University, Yevhen Korzhov, noted that the rate of water discharge from the dam may lead to flooding as far downstream as Kizomys, about 120km southwest from the KHPP. A Russian milblogger claimed that the water level in Nova Kakhovka, immediately adjacent to the KHPP, reached as high as 11m. Various Russian sources additionally highlighted footage showing that several east (left) bank settlements, including Oleshky, Korsunka, and Dnipryany, are entirely or nearly entirely underwater.
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ISW cannot offer a definitive assessment of responsibility for the June 6 incident at this time but finds that the balance of evidence, reasoning, and rhetoric suggests that the #Russians deliberately damaged the dam.
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Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces intentionally destroyed the KHPP dam and suggested that the Russian military did not prepare for subsequent flooding.
That sounds like something Russia would do. File this in the category of stupid.
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Russian officials accused Ukrainian forces of destroying the KHPP dam and used the allegations to bolster ongoing efforts to portray Ukrainian assaults elsewhere in Ukraine as immediate failures.
.............That sounds like something Russia would do. File this in the category of stupid.
From what we have seen - often seen, in fact - the Russian army could eff-up a crowbar. So whether Russia did it stupidly or purposefully is not very important.
This is the country that we're supposed to be afraid of because they have 6000 nukes?!
We have at least another 1.5 years of this stupid war until Biden is removed from office. If Biden somehow wins again we are probably looking at China making a peace deal and being looked up to as the world superpower. We need Trump back, for the sake of the world.
We have at least another 1.5 years of this stupid war until Biden is removed from office. If Biden somehow wins again we are probably looking at China making a peace deal and being looked up to as the world superpower. We need Trump back, for the sake of the world.
Assuming he wins (huge assumption), Trump is not going to stop supporting Ukraine. Running a campaign cost a lot of money. The $5 he gets from his base won't get the job done. He needs serious money from corporate donors like the MIC. Yeah, that's right.
I will stop here because I don't want to turn this "Ukraine war" thread into yet another election argument.
From what we have seen - often seen, in fact - the Russian army could eff-up a crowbar. So whether Russia did it stupidly or purposefully is not very important.
This is the country that we're supposed to be afraid of because they have 6000 nukes?!
I remember you said you are a fan of Peter Zeihan. He has plenty to say about the destruction of the dam. Basically, he agrees with me that Russia did it. He goes over stuff I didn't even think about. His view is worth checking out.
I can't tell, if it's Leopard, Challenger or T 34 but, I am assuming, knowing how much scrutiny there will be, unless they are complete morons - those are likely the cats.
Could be agricultural equipment. Although admittedly, Russian armed forces have good reason to be afraid of Ukrainian tractors.
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