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What the the big Ukrainian plan to invade Russia? What was the goal of this plan?
Everything comes down to the gain/preservation of power, wealth, and land...no matter what side of any conflict.
What other reason would any entity present themselves as a threat, or take action against another?
It is when the agreement is one side gets everything they wanted.
Very few ever get "everything they want".
Putin wants the Union/Republic back together...in totality... but he knows he will never get that.
He wasn't getting, or asking, for "everything he wanted".
He wanted the Ukraine to quit building forces on the border, and quit trying for NATO/EU membership...not "return to Russia", which would have been "everything he wanted".
IDK for sure, but NATO kept getting closer to Russia, that is for sure. In 1999 Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland joined NATO. In 2004 the Baltic states and four other countries.
This "not one inch" claim may or may not have happened, but NATO has been moving East.
Looks like countries that have tried living under Russia's thumb are very, very eager to not have that happen again.
And you with me and it would be nice if you got yourself a dictionary.
He has a dictionary, and typically takes the pedantic path opposite to his current stance.
He plays silly definition games with it on other forums, doing something very analogous to posting the definition of invasion, then pointing to the 5th obscure meaning and claiming that it is the most important definition of all.
Very few ever get "everything they want".
Putin wants the Union/Republic back together...in totality... but he knows he will never get that.
He wasn't getting, or asking, for "everything he wanted".
He wanted the Ukraine to quit building forces on the border, and quit trying for NATO/EU membership...not "return to Russia", which would have been "everything he wanted".
This type of demand usually works as well as trying to dictate the life of a lover who left you.
If I state 20 years ago does not matter, why would you think that "centuries old" would be convincing to me?
Anyway, it is a silly argument. Nothing from centuries ago is consistent with today. Centuries ago Europe was plagued with constant warfare. Lines were drawn between Protestants and Catholics, with Jewish pogroms thrown in for good measure.
Italy and Germany did not exist as countries. Once Germany and Italy did exist they were the allies before WW1, then enemies during WW1, then allies for WW2, now they are allies within NATO.
The Habsburg dynasty ruled Austria-Hungary and Spain. The Pope had real political power.
England had colonies in North America. Some revolted, others separated from England peacefully.
Sweden used to be a major military power. France invaded everybody.
Ignoring all of those historical realities, and the fact that nations and alliances evolve over time to create a centuries long operation to destroy Russia is silly. Russia is a player in Eurasia, and they have been isolationist, agressive and defensive, as have most other countries. There is no long term illuminati-style plot here.
Once the riches of Russia were more or less explored it became desirable target to exploit seemingly endless resources.
Very few ever get "everything they want".
Putin wants the Union/Republic back together...in totality... but he knows he will never get that.
He wasn't getting, or asking, for "everything he wanted".
He wanted the Ukraine to quit building forces on the border,
Which they weren't doing, but anything they did with troops within their own borders would be their right as a sovereign nation.
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and quit trying for NATO/EU membership
Again, those options would be Ukraine's to pursue, not Russia's to dictate.
However, also a red herring. This was not Putin protesting against Ukraine's internal decisions or economic/defense alliances. This is Putin rolling tanks across a national border in an attempt to annex the country.
And you with me and it would be nice if you got yourself a dictionary.
Basing views of the totality of this upon terms like "Offensive Invasion" as compared to "Defensive Attack" is of little use.
Yet...some seem to put all the stock backing their views upon the idea of a "Offensive Invasion" of Ukraine by Russia/Putin.
"Putin invaded Ukraine...it's as simple as that!"...to justify this whole, terrible conflict...is standard from many.
It is much more complex than that. Though I am surprised how many are stuck on that false narrative, as it is certainly not indicative of all the factors involved.
But all they can do is keep repeating it...I guess, to assuage their tweaked-out headtrips.
Once the riches of Russia were more or less explored it became desirable target to exploit seemingly endless resources.
I find it laughable to state that Russia had explored its resources, or that adding Ukraine to its territory would supply "seemingly endless resources".
Put that aside though. Does that make invading Ukraine justifiable? That is a truly pathetic reason for being a Russian apologist.
He has a dictionary, and typically takes the pedantic path opposite to his current stance.
He plays silly definition games with it on other forums, doing something very analogous to posting the definition of invasion, then pointing to the 5th obscure meaning and claiming that it is the most important definition of all.
I find his current arguments rather hypocritical.
Cry about it.
As usual, you lie...on the other board, I note that I accept all definitions/meanings of the word, and do not redact or dismiss the others.
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