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Basing views of the totality of this upon terms like "Offensive Invasion" as compared to "Defensive Attack" is of little use.
Yet...some seem to put all the stock backing their views upon the idea of a "Offensive Invasion" of Ukraine by Russia/Putin.
"Putin invaded Ukraine...it's as simple as that!"...to justify this whole, terrible conflict...is standard from many.
It is much more complex than that. Though I am surprised how many are stuck on that false narrative, as it is certainly not indicative of all the factors involved.
But all they can do is keep repeating it...I guess, to assuage their tweaked-out headtrips.
Soviet Union was not a very popular alternative, it collapsed and situation became worse. Ukr. ethnically very close to Russians, maybe identical. Ukr did not really have choice , nobody asked ex- Soviets in Ukr what they want...Now they are suppressed by the war. Russia gave them a choice. At leasrt they can choose which language to speek.
He has a dictionary, and typically takes the pedantic path opposite to his current stance.
He plays silly definition games with it on other forums, doing something very analogous to posting the definition of invasion, then pointing to the 5th obscure meaning and claiming that it is the most important definition of all.
Again, those options would be Ukraine's to pursue, not Russia's to dictate.
And those options ultimately would be up to the EU and NATO to accept or reject. So far, NATO in its wisdom, has rejected Ukraine's bid to join, in spite of the myopic "democratization" crusade 3 consecutive US presidents have been obsessed with.
And those options ultimately would be up to the EU and NATO to accept or reject. So far, NATO in its wisdom, has rejected Ukraine's bid to join, in spite of the myopic "democratization" crusade 3 consecutive US presidents have been obsessed with.
NATO does not care about UKR, they ready to wipe it out completely, to the last human being there. They want to prolong the war hoping Russians rise against Putin regime and topple it.
Nope...not even from that standpoint.
A preemptive attack on a opposing force that is building to make a move on you...is not a "invasion".
If Putin was staging a "invasion"...it would have looked way different.
So already the historical revisionism begins the blood of 100,000 dead Russian boys has not even all dried yet.
Ukraine was not building to move on anyone, and there is no justification for a "pre-emptive strike". BTW ... Ukraine would have known that any such attack would have been futile, they had nothing whatsoever to gain by it. I don't know how anyone could fall for this Olgino BS.
Crossing Ukraine's borders with armed military personnel was an act of war. The decision was made by Putin ... Putin alone, and the reason he gave had nothing to do with a "pre-emptive strike". It was to topple a regime which he claimed was run by Nazis and to ostensibly "liberate" the people he is now trying to bomb into the stone age. That's right, the people Putin claimed to care so much about he is killing in astonishing numbers.
And the 'liberation' claim was doubly false, because the ultimate goal was to annex, not liberate Ukraine. They have shown their hand already and it is a fact of history.
The entire premise for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was false from the day it was announced. Crossing the borders was an act of aggression.
Soviet Union was not a very popular alternative, it collapsed and situation became worse. Ukr. ethnically very close to Russians, maybe identical. Ukr did not really have choice , nobody asked ex- Soviets in Ukr what they want...Now they are suppressed by the war. Russia gave them a choice. At leasrt they can choose which language to speek.
92% of the population voted for independence, and 55% of ethnic Russians also voted for independence.
Ukraine does not restrict the language spoken by its citizens. The official language is Ukrainian, many people also speak Russian, English is taught in schools.
How about "Preemptive Defensive Invasion"?
Would that make you feel better...as long as the word you go all Fangirly about is in there?
Hey...anything to help you find inner peace.
92% of the population voted for independence, and 55% of ethnic Russians also voted for independence.
Ukraine does not restrict the language spoken by its citizens. The official language is Ukrainian, many people also speak Russian, English is taught in schools.
Everything you state in your post is wrong.
Well, Eastern (Russian-Soviet) part was not happy rith rise if Nazi sentiments... , that is why war started, in the same way West hopes to topple Putin.
Well, Eastern (Russian-Soviet) part was not happy rith rise if Nazi sentiments... , that is why war started, in the same way West hopes to topple Putin.
So they sent in the Wagner Group??? Makes alot of sense. The only country behaving like Nazi's is Russia.
NATO does not care about UKR, they ready to wipe it out completely, to the last human being there. They want to prolong the war hoping Russians rise against Putin regime and topple it.
NATO cares about NATO members, and the aggression Putin's Russia shows against it's non-NATO neighbors is a wake up call. This attack on Ukraine has re-animated NATO like nothing before. The people in NATO want to be safe, and the aggressive actions of Russia are a clear and present danger to everyone.
If Russia gets away with this they will be a perennial threat to the people of NATO countries.
In other words, the prime mover here is Putin. Putin's decision to attack a neighboring country came first, and NATO has reacted to it. This invasion was so alarming that the two long neutral countries of Sweden and Finland will not risk being caught outside of an alliance any longer if they can help it. Russia is perceived as a very real threat to everyone within it's reach.
Helping Ukraine is in everyone's best interest, and if in the process Russia's ability to launch unprovoked attacks on it's neighbors is degraded, that is a good thing.
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the blood of 100,000 dead Russian boys has not even all dried yet.