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Old 10-23-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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Follow the money. Get government grants, politics, and lobbyist money out of this and let the scientist come to their own conclusions.

 
Old 10-23-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Without government grants many scientists would never have the time and money to do any research. They would be stuck in some corporate development lab or counting trees for the timber company.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 05:47 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Without government grants many scientists would never have the time and money to do any research. They would be stuck in some corporate development lab or counting trees for the timber company.
And your point is?

Scientists who receive federal funding should shut up and skew their findings to make whatever agency who gave them a grant happy?

You consider forcing scientists to lie to be a useful way to spend your taxpayer dollars?

Many scientists are faculty members employed by the various institutions of higher learning and obtain grant money from a variety of sources - government is only one of these.

PS "Tree counting" is generally an activity carried out by part time or seasonal employees - not the actual scientists doing the research although we've been known to have our tree counting moments. I loved the times I got to go up in the mountains and "count trees."
 
Old 10-23-2017, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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This is so amazing... It would be amusing if the situation wasn't so dire. Just because the EPA has silenced scientists doesn't mean climate change isn't real or that it won't continue to impact everyone. What's happening now is not dependent on you believing in it.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 05:58 PM
 
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This is so amazing... It would be amusing if the situation wasn't so dire. Just because the EPA has silenced scientists doesn't mean climate change isn't real or that it won't continue to impact everyone. What's happening now is not dependent on you believing in it.
You are so right. It's just maddening.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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These statements are highly ironic given Pruit's background. Pruit might be as biased as one comes.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
Define what you mean by "politics."
You need a definition for politics?

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the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.

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So what field of science did you major in?
Here is another definition for you:


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An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or the argumentum ad verecundiam[note 1], is a form of defeasible[4] argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion. It is well known as a fallacy, though it is used in a cogent form when all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context.[5][6]
 
Old 10-23-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Ah, the words of an Exxon shareholder. Democrat, republican or Steve Bannon, the words should be "redistribute our carbon footprint on our one and only planet."

Prior to becoming Secretary of State, Exxon's Rex Tillerson was actually on record as supporting a carbon tax. The proposal he put forward back then wasn't much, but at least it was a start.

Exxon hasn't issued a detailed policy position addressing these proposals or outlining how high such a tax should be to slow or halt global warming, how the tax should be structured, or what the revenue would be used for. The company has said only that it favors a revenue-neutral tax, meaning revenue from the tax would be returned to the public or businesses through tax cuts or some sort of rebate.


https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...-rex-tillerson

Of course this was before Tillerson and Trump decided to become new BFF's and form a threesome with Putin.
The oil companies have always been leaders in pushing AGW. They're the ones who stand to gain the most. You think some mom and pop start-up is going to invent the new technologies and write the new regulations? Hell no, it's Exxon Mobil/BP/Chevron et al that stand to create a virtual monopoly on energy for the next century. Of course these people all want the carbon tax and a carbon exchange because they stand to make trillions from it. Who do you think gets to collect the trillions in global carbon taxes? The US treasury? Nope. Corporate bankers. Who do you think is going to run the carbon exchanges? Take a look at the failed Chicago Carbon Exchange that Al Gore tried to start. Look at his partners in it. Exxon Mobil, Citibank, BP, Enron & Kenneth Lay (yes, that Enron & that Kenneth Lay). Look at the Carbon Exchange in Europe. England's wealthiest billionaire has earned the most from it so far due mostly to free credits he was given by the government, that he then sold. This is how the hustle works. All these new carbon taxes, new carbon exchanges, new regulations....they all favor the wealthiest 1% on the planet while screwing the regular people AND.....they offer to solution to climate change. None.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Meanwhile, Pruitt wants to double the amount of security at a cost of 2 million more dollars. And put in a soundproof booth outside his always locked door.

Christine Todd Whitman walked to work.
Which, btw, is yet another swamp creature breaking the budget.

Sorry he thinks he needs more security, but everyone knows that you don't mess with Mother Nature.

Scott Pruitt gets more security than any EPA head ever | New York Post
 
Old 10-23-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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The Cultural Revolution of China, from half a century ago, has been reincarnated in our nation. In China, university professors were rounded-up and murdered, to implement the anti-intellectual purge. The purpose of course, wasn't to bring any benefit to the people of that country, but rather to increase the power of the political dictatorship and to regiment the unwitting students and other younger people, into carrying-out actions against resistors.

Of course here, the stooges in this revolution are just the opposite of the students and other young people of China. They are the older, ignorant and unemployed rednecks, in the flyover states. In a slip of the tongue (one of many), Trump said how much he liked uneducated people. He'd be nowhere without them.
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