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Old 10-16-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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How did this crazy meme get started, that we are on the brink of war with Russia and that Hillary wants to start a war? Unless someone invents a way to neutralize all nuclear weapons, we will never have a war with Russia.
The only war we'll have with them, which has already started, is a cyber war. The Russians seem to be winning at the moment.
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Old 10-17-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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I follow this closely so will give you a synopsis from which you can draw your own conclusions. I will not address the Kurds and Turkey at this time.

The problems are multi-dimensional. Assad belongs to a minority sect called the Alawites, a minor form of Shia thus Irans support of him. As a minority in a country where the majority are Sunni (as in Saudi Arabia and Turkey) Assad protected other minorities including Christians. Sunni and Shia are fighting for religious power in the mideast. This is one dimension.

The bigger picture is related to economics, specifically the gas line that Saudi Arabia and Oman want to build through Syria and which Assad denied them. This entails a contest between Russia who now supply the European market and the Sunni power houses of Saudi Arabia and Oman. The later two have funded and supplied Isis & Al Nusra with arms and money as we have also in support of these countries in order to take down Assad. Obama's red line in the matter comes from his stance in support of Middle Eastern muslim countries in general. Remember who he bowed to when over there. Hillary's support comes from the tens of millions she has already been paid by them to her foundation. She is in it for the money.

Then there is the matter of Saudi Arabia promising to keep oil trading done in US dollars which helps prop us up. The Sauds use others to accomplish their goals and they are now hurting because of low oil prices. Yet they still fund Hillary and use us as their military. The Sauds also give free reign to their extremist religious leaders (Wahhabis) in an agreement to keep their royal family in power and fund their extremism all over the world.

Assad asked Russia, who is their ally to come in and help them regain control of their country by fighting Isis. We have just promised Isis free passage from Iraq to move into Syria in order to put more Isis terrorist troops there in a push to topple Assad. Kerry made an agreement with Lavrov of cooperation a little over a week ago in which the US would attempt to divide Al Nusra who we have openly been supporting, from Isis so Isis could be fought. The problem is Al Nusra and Isis are virtually the same. So what did the US do? We went in and bombed Assad's troops in order to give Isis a tactical ground advantage and the deal fell apart. Oh, our mistake was what we told Russia. Given the obvious deception on our part Russia has been rather calm. Waiting for our election I believe. This is when all the nuclear attack talk started by Russia.

It is clear to Russia that Hillary will continue following the Saud's imperative and all the talk the last few days about no fly zones enforced by the US, as opposed to the no fly zones the Russians have proposed that we disregard. We have no right to be there and are poking Russia with stealth undercover actions. There is also the matter of her payback in regards to Russia for what she considers their email leaks to take her down which may or may not be true.
Slow clapping. Too bad we can't get this post out to America every day instead of the blatant propaganda our media is pushing.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:48 AM
 
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How did this crazy meme get started, that we are on the brink of war with Russia and that Hillary wants to start a war? Unless someone invents a way to neutralize all nuclear weapons, we will never have a war with Russia.
The only war we'll have with them, which has already started, is a cyber war. The Russians seem to be winning at the moment.
I wouldn't be so sure of that, the great powers back in the early 1900's had the same smug self assurance about not going to a major war, then they let themselves get too close to the brink and stupidly blundered into WWI. That's basically what's going on right now with Hillary's blustering and posturing about war with Russia as far as I can tell, same smug self assurance that it would never lead to World War Three but I'm not so sure, the Russians certainly are reacting cagily enough that they fear this is exactly what Hillary wants. Bottom line is there is absolutely no vital interest for the USA in Syria, which has been in Russia's backyard for a long time, and where our intervention would only be helping out the ISIS and AQ fanatics.

Starting WW3 for the sake of helping these types would be probably the very dumbest reason to go to war even in history, especially since both AQ and ISIS have attacked the United States. Fighting a war and using american blood and treasure to help the same terrorist groups that have attacked the United States and killed thousands of Americans? Stupid, stupid, stupid, but this is what it sounds like Hillary wants. She truly may lose the election because of this one dumb stand.
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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I follow this closely so will give you a synopsis from which you can draw your own conclusions. I will not address the Kurds and Turkey at this time.

The problems are multi-dimensional. Assad belongs to a minority sect called the Alawites, a minor form of Shia thus Irans support of him. As a minority in a country where the majority are Sunni (as in Saudi Arabia and Turkey) Assad protected other minorities including Christians. Sunni and Shia are fighting for religious power in the mideast. This is one dimension.

The bigger picture is related to economics, specifically the gas line that Saudi Arabia and Oman want to build through Syria and which Assad denied them. This entails a contest between Russia who now supply the European market and the Sunni power houses of Saudi Arabia and Oman. The later two have funded and supplied Isis & Al Nusra with arms and money as we have also in support of these countries in order to take down Assad. Obama's red line in the matter comes from his stance in support of Middle Eastern muslim countries in general. Remember who he bowed to when over there. Hillary's support comes from the tens of millions she has already been paid by them to her foundation. She is in it for the money.

Then there is the matter of Saudi Arabia promising to keep oil trading done in US dollars which helps prop us up. The Sauds use others to accomplish their goals and they are now hurting because of low oil prices. Yet they still fund Hillary and use us as their military. The Sauds also give free reign to their extremist religious leaders (Wahhabis) in an agreement to keep their royal family in power and fund their extremism all over the world.

Assad asked Russia, who is their ally to come in and help them regain control of their country by fighting Isis. We have just promised Isis free passage from Iraq to move into Syria in order to put more Isis terrorist troops there in a push to topple Assad. Kerry made an agreement with Lavrov of cooperation a little over a week ago in which the US would attempt to divide Al Nusra who we have openly been supporting, from Isis so Isis could be fought. The problem is Al Nusra and Isis are virtually the same. So what did the US do? We went in and bombed Assad's troops in order to give Isis a tactical ground advantage and the deal fell apart. Oh, our mistake was what we told Russia. Given the obvious deception on our part Russia has been rather calm. Waiting for our election I believe. This is when all the nuclear attack talk started by Russia.

It is clear to Russia that Hillary will continue following the Saud's imperative and all the talk the last few days about no fly zones enforced by the US, as opposed to the no fly zones the Russians have proposed that we disregard. We have no right to be there and are poking Russia with stealth undercover actions. There is also the matter of her payback in regards to Russia for what she considers their email leaks to take her down which may or may not be true.
Thanks for an informed and informative post. The more I read about it the more Hillary's talk about "imposing" a no fly zone against Syria and Russia sounds totally insane. (As if the US even had any legal authority to do that-- violating a country's sovereign borders like that, with Syria being no threat to the US, would make Hillary and anyone else who gave the order into a war criminal). I wasn't even planning to vote next month since I can't stand either major candidate, maybe pulling the lever for Johnson or Stein at most. But now Hillary's looking positively dangerous to the country. Trump may be a dbag but with all the Syria idiocy, Hillary looks more dangerous. And I'll take a badmouthed dbag over a seeker of war any day.
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