***Crisis at the Border*** (interview, attorney, solutions, Nebraska)

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by southward bound

Sorry. Snopes is not good enough. Are you saying that Alinsky is not a socialist/communist?

Whether Alinsky actually said or wrote those exact words doesn't matter. The plan fits everything else he wrote and said like a glove.

Or, as the saying goes..."if the shoe fits..."

By the way, I didn't mention Obama. How did you make that leap?

Ahh more BS. It is yet another straw man erected by the Right Wing Nuts to shoot at.

And yet another example of the inability of the right wing to find real issues so they make them up.

Alinsky is no commie. His specialty was organization and gaining political power for the lower classes. When I lived in Rochester NY all of the local Republican hierarchy ran to Alinsky et al to help organize the Black population of the city after the riots. Read about FIGHTON and friends. Really interesting to watch the City conservatives and industrial leaders trying to convince the Black Community to organize. They even hired the Alinsky operation to assist.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by southward bound

I see you can't argue that those 8 points are applicable to the current state of the country.

Whoever wrote them -- they are being implemented, no?

Only in the minds of the lunatic fringe right wing nuts.

[swbtoo]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Only in the minds of the lunatic fringe right wing nuts.

I'd take liberals more seriously if they'd address the message instead of attacking the messengers.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by southward bound

I'd take liberals more seriously if they'd address the message instead of attacking the messengers.

The rub is there is no message. You don't get to make up your own facts. You are welcome to your opinion but we share facts...and there are none.

I don't care how much you believe that there are extraterrestrials leading the Honduran to the US. It is not true.

[mountainrose]

For those who say immigrants don't abuse our welfare system:

71% of illegals with children use welfare!! (see in bold below)
And the primary cause is their low education levels.
We are importing third world poverty at an alarming rate.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

Quote:

Among the findings:

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

The states where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62 percent); Texas, California, and New York (61 percent); Pennsylvania (59 percent); Minnesota and Oregon (56 percent); and Colorado (55 percent).

We estimate that 52 percent of households with children headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2009, compared to 71 percent for illegal immigrant households with children. Illegal immigrants generally receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.

High welfare use by immigrant-headed households with children is partly explained by the low education level of many immigrants. Of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school, 80 percent access the welfare system, compared to 25 percent for those headed by an immigrant who has at least a bachelor’s degree.

An unwillingness to work is not the reason immigrant welfare use is high. The vast majority (95 percent) of immigrant households with children had at least one worker in 2009. But their low education levels mean that more than half of these working immigrant households with children still accessed the welfare system during 2009.

If we exclude the primary refugee-sending countries, the share of immigrant households with children using at least one welfare program is still 57 percent.

Welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents. In 2009, 60 percent of households with children headed by an immigrant who arrived in 2000 or later used at least one welfare program; for households headed by immigrants who arrived before 2000 it was 55 percent.


The eight major welfare programs examined in this report are SSI (Supplemental Security Income for low income elderly and disabled), TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), WIC (Women, Infants, and Children food program), free/reduced school lunch, food stamps (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid (health insurance for those with low incomes), public housing, and rent subsidies.

[remoddahouse]

Originally Posted by southward bound

I'd take liberals more seriously if they'd address the message instead of attacking the messengers.

I'm not liberal and his point about wing nuts is pretty appropriate. There aren't many people who call themselves conservative here who can back up any of the opinions that they're given by the fringe blogs, etc, that give them their opinion.

[florida.bob]

Just hope that the Rs & some Ds can take at least 1 day off from campaining to do something for the refugee kids

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

Just hope that the Rs & some Ds can take at least 1 day off from campaining to do something for the refugee kids

The UN told the US that all the latest illegals (290,000 since October) are refugees and should be given asylum.

[carolac]

Extraterresterials? Alinski? What do these have to do with anything.

Tens of thousands of children are being sent from their countries to America, and more are coming. I think we can all agree on that.

The border is not secure. I think we can all agree on that.

Mexican gang members have come across and are recruiting in the hubs. I think we can all agree on that.

Over 50% and upwards to 70% of our border patrol is being pulled from the borders to assist in these hubs. I think we can all agree on that.

The law states that these children, if they come alone, are to be medically treated, cared for, and then returned to their families in their own countries. We should all agree on that.

If families are coming across together and many are, the law should be followed and they should be turned around at the border and sent back. We should all agree on that.

The law does not provide that American citizens have to provide lawyers. They are free to seek their own attorneys, but we do not have to pay for it. In the meantime, treat them and deport them. We should all agree on that. Of course, immigration attorneys disagree. They see a cash cow at the government's expense.

The border needs to be secured and this could be done with a phone call to get a couple thousand national guard down on the border. Funding needs to be provided, if required, to meet the requirements of the law, nothing more. We should all agree on that.

It is the height of insanity to ask for billions of dollars without stopping the surge across the border. We should all agree on that.

Of course there are always a FEW exceptions.

[DauntlessDan]

Cmon....children coming up from South America ON THEIR OWN!!! RIGHT!!! They're being helped financially somehow. This administration is doing just what it promised to do...transform America....the same way Fidel Castro transformed Cuba. And while America burns, our Marxist, Muslim student of Saul Alinsky, Friend of Bill Ayers plays his violin in Washington DC. This should be a national emergency!! We are being invaded and who knows who else is coming over the border while all of these children are running interference. And yet the dupes that voted this administration in continue to stand by its decisions. And please don't give me that "Bush I did this" or Bush II did that" line of drivel/deflection. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUSHES OR ANYONE ELSE BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION AND ITS POOR/NON DECISIONS!! STOP BLAMING THE REPUBLICANS FOR EVERYTHING WHEN YOU HAVE A DICTATOR IN OFFICE THAT DOES NOT EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO CONGRESS!!