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Old 07-31-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Bush signed the law in question on December 30, 2008 with Democrats the majority in both chambers of Congress and after Barack Obama had already been elected. If you're going to keep parroting this bull tripe as if it was something other than the lame duck detritus that it is, then at least provide some context. I'd be willing to bet you didn't even know the context behind Bush's signature, did you? You just keep parroting the party line without any inkling of knowledge of the condidtions for which the law was signed.
Well, why won't the House send a bill to repeal it?

Oh, that's right, they can't even do that. That is a good bill that Bush signed. The fact that it has been almost four years that the GOP has held the House and now only want to repeal this shows you that partisan politics are at play.

The President IS enforcing the law that this bill created. Fact.
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Old 07-31-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Bush signed the law in question on December 30, 2008 with Democrats the majority in both chambers of Congress and after Barack Obama had already been elected. If you're going to keep parroting this bull tripe as if it was something other than the lame duck detritus that it is, then at least provide some context. I'd be willing to bet you didn't even know the context behind Bush's signature, did you? You just keep parroting the party line without any inkling of knowledge of the condidtions for which the law was signed.
So he signed it, and you acknowledge that fact, that is a step in the right direction. Party line, which Party? Neither Party seems to want to do anything real when it comes to the illegal immigration issue, they both say a lot but once the dust settles it is back to business as usual and we all go on to the next topic of the day. The kicker her was all those children showing up from Central America, something new and very visible to all. Now they have to deal with it because the American People are watching and it is an election year, thing is will they put on another band aide and we all forget about it for a while or will they actually address the issues and we resolve the issue once and for all?
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Old 07-31-2014, 01:43 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Oh right Obama started this...not like it hasn't been going on for years. You saying the House doesn't have any responsibility to assure this crisis is fixed? Not like they been doing much anyway. But don't come whining when Obama cleans it up himself as much as he can with executive action.
I am saying there is no immigration reform necessary. All we need to do is enforce the laws already on the books before Obama started using his pen. I thought I was very clear about that. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Statistics on the number swarming the border have increased since Obama started using his pen. He needs to stop trying to be congress and enforce the laws already on the books. That is his only duty in this situation. He has never done it.

And I agree that amnesty should never have happened. You cannot reward people doing wrong and expect good results. We need the border closed and give a month for those undocumented to leave and then arrest anyone remaining. Bet that would clear them out fast.

And the law you are talking about was to stop human trafficking. Those people coming over the border paid to get here. That's not human trafficking. That's an illegal invasion.

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Old 07-31-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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Boehner just said, "There are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now, without the need for congressional action.". Wait, isn't there a suit or something in the works? These guys are hilarious!
Just more political posturing, good grief when is this nonsense going to end?
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Old 07-31-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Well, why won't the House send a bill to repeal it?

Oh, that's right, they can't even do that. That is a good bill that Bush signed. The fact that it has been almost four years that the GOP has held the House and now only want to repeal this shows you that partisan politics are at play.

The President IS enforcing the law that this bill created. Fact.
More intellectual dishonesty. Even Democrats (including the law's author, Dianne Feinstein) have acknowledged that there have been unintended consequences of the law, but yet here you are trying to make it seem as if the law was good until partisan politics got in the way.

The real "fact" here is that you're being disingenuous.
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Old 07-31-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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Yeah, you have to love the revisionist history about this being Bush's bill - the 2008 bill -- when congress passed it with 97% yeas. That is about as bipartisan as you can get. The bill was a mistake, and now fixing the bipartisan screw up is being held political hostage by the Democrat party, That is the bald faced truth. Only lies and liers can deny it.

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What's funny is everyone is blaming bush....yet what were the votes on this?

Seems everyone wanted it, not just the pubs!..

LOL...

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/h607
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Old 07-31-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Not being disingenuous at all. If there is a problem with the bill, FIX it. All you conservatives want to do is end something instead of fixing it. Everything in that bill, if you have read it, is not bad. The good stuff, keep it, the bad, drop it.

And wow, one Democratic senator from California counts as an authority? C'mon.
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Old 07-31-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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What is so "uncertain" about the House? The GOP has a 35 seat majority....what on Earth could you possibly be optimistic about? Picking up 5 seats? LOL
The uncertain part was who will pick up seats. I was referring to the increased numbers post. Increased numbers in the Senate? Yes, Increased #'s in the House? who knows, though I agree any gains in the House (by either side) will likely be smal. The majority will remain with the GOP.
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Old 07-31-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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So he signed it, and you acknowledge that fact, that is a step in the right direction. Party line, which Party? Neither Party seems to want to do anything real when it comes to the illegal immigration issue, they both say a lot but once the dust settles it is back to business as usual and we all go on to the next topic of the day. The kicker her was all those children showing up from Central America, something new and very visible to all. Now they have to deal with it because the American People are watching and it is an election year, thing is will they put on another band aide and we all forget about it for a while or will they actually address the issues and we resolve the issue once and for all?
Neither party can enforce the laws they passed.
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Old 07-31-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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More intellectual dishonesty. Even Democrats (including the law's author, Dianne Feinstein) have acknowledged that there have been unintended consequences of the law, but yet here you are trying to make it seem as if the law was good until partisan politics got in the way.

The real "fact" here is that you're being disingenuous.

It should also be pointed out that this bill passed by a voice vote in both the House and Senate. (Unanimous consent in the Senate, without objection in the House). NO ONE on either side objected to the bill.
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