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Old 08-22-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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Not this dumb talking point again. This is why I can't take conservatives seriously. Reality is completely irrelevant.

You'd think before they ran with this Gallup thing conservatives might look up has this happened before that the unemployment rate at Gallup spiked? Then they might ask and answer the reasonable question what impact did that spike have on the official unemployment rate?

Nah, not conservatives, it is simplistic thinking all the time.

........................ speaking of ignoring reality!

So............ if Obama's policies are so great, why are-

1. incomes down 7%
2. personal savings down 40%
3. 55 million on food stamps
4. debt near $17 trillion
5. most new jobs are part time

If economic misery is what liberals pine for, they have reached Nirvana. Most citizens, I would presume, would prefer economic security.

Liberalism = economic failure

 
Old 08-22-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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........................ speaking of ignoring reality!

So............ if Obama's policies are so great, why are-

1. incomes down 7%
2. personal savings down 40%
3. 55 million on food stamps
4. debt near $17 trillion
5. most new jobs are part time

If economic misery is what liberals pine for, they have reached Nirvana. Most citizens, I would presume, would prefer economic security.

Liberalism = economic failure
And once again a right leaner makes statments without provide evidence of how the items they listed are the fault of the current administration while ignore the FACT that the Nation was already in the largets Ressesion since the Great Depression before Obama was even elected. Facts are far better the rhetoric and the difference between the two is that ALL the facts are considered in one and the other only requires selected facts.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
........................ speaking of ignoring reality!

So............ if Obama's policies are so great, why are-

1. incomes down 7%
2. personal savings down 40%
3. 55 million on food stamps
4. debt near $17 trillion
5. most new jobs are part time

If economic misery is what liberals pine for, they have reached Nirvana. Most citizens, I would presume, would prefer economic security.

Liberalism = economic failure
Maybe, maybe, maybe, just MAYBE it has something to do with an economic crisis that started in 2007?

And maybe you should ask why the private sector is having record profits while simultaneously cutting full time. Whatever happened to trickle down? I know it's hard for you to understand, but somethings out of the govt's hands.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
........................ speaking of ignoring reality!

So............ if Obama's policies are so great, why are-

1. incomes down 7%
2. personal savings down 40%
3. 55 million on food stamps
4. debt near $17 trillion
5. most new jobs are part time

If economic misery is what liberals pine for, they have reached Nirvana. Most citizens, I would presume, would prefer economic security.

Liberalism = economic failure

Okay, i'm not a fan of liberal social policies. .90% of time. I think companies should go out of business (too big to fail), etc.



Yet, the above.. tying that to a specific president and policy. . .blaming a specific president? Especially with the fractured senate/house and the shared control

its just crazy


You people seem to no to understand how little power a president has over the economy. You blame xyz, with no understanding of the long term trend, how we got here, and what policies made it happen.



Do you see the above as a failure of Obama, but the S&P doubling under obama's watch as proof as his success?

I call bull#@ to both
 
Old 08-22-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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Okay, i'm not a fan of liberal social policies. .90% of time. I think companies should go out of business (too big to fail), etc.



Yet, the above.. tying that to a specific president and policy. . .blaming a specific president? Especially with the fractured senate/house and the shared control

its just crazy


You people seem to no to understand how little power a president has over the economy. You blame xyz, with no understanding of the long term trend, how we got here, and what policies made it happen.



Do you see the above as a failure of Obama, but the S&P doubling under obama's watch as proof as his success?

I call bull#@ to both
Anything that they can pin to Obama as some sort of failure they can and will do it. Anything positive and it's somehow proof that Republican policies work. It's this sort of crap that I got tired of hearing daily on Fox News and talk radio. It's pessimism porn.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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What "destructive" policies am I referring to?

1. Real unemployment at 17%
2. most of the "jobs" created under Obama are part time
3. incomes down 7%
4. personal savings (except for the 1%), down 40%
5. 55 million on foodstamps
6. 11 million on social security disability
7. Unemployment at 18month high in the midst of the "Obama recovery".
8. Debt at nearly $17 trillion
9. annual deficits of over $1 trillion (hooray- this is the first year below $1 trillion, yet DOUBLE the average deficits under Bush).
10. Bans on energy exploration on federal lands
11. opposition to Keystone pipeline
12. Obamacare- set to kill even more jobs

You can spin all you want, MTA, but your graphs cannot refute the facts- Obama has RUINED the economy and the nation is on its knees due to failed liberal policies.
Do you know what the word policy means.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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Duplicate topic, by the way

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...mps-7-7-a.html
 
Old 08-22-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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Those failed policies in Europe are the policies the GOP wants to use in America. That makes it relevant.
No, they are not. Let's look at the US deficits, and Spain's deficit. I am also adding Latvia, who implemented harsh austerity in 2011. Not saying they are a role model, but if the austerity theory was right they should be doing horrible right now. But in fact they have high growth and unemployment is dropping fast.

Spain
2007 1.9%
2008 -4.5%
2009 -11.2%
2010 -9.7%
2011 -9.4%
2012 -10.6%

Spain Government Budget | Actual Value | Historical Data | Forecast

Latvia
2007 -0.4%
2008 -4.2%
2009 -9.8%
2010 -8.1%
2011 -3.6%
2012 -1.2%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/latv...ernment-budget

US
2007 -2.1%
2008 -4.8%
2009 -12.1%
2010 -10.7%
2011 -10.1%
2012 -8.5%

United States Government Budget | Actual Data | Forecasts | Calendar

Liberal Response: Oh that must be because Spain has done so much austerity

The real reason US does better regarding employment, is due to US flexible labor laws. Even in the US you can see the difference. In California the labour growth since the crisis has been 0%, in New York it has been -3%. In Texas the growth has been 9%.

Of course hard core liberals will never admit that flexible labour laws help employment, and will keep pretending austerity caused the trouble even though the countries who choose to do austerity (Latvia, Estonia) are doing fine right now.

Remember Greece never choose to do austerity. They spend every single penny they had, and borrow everything they could, and they ran out of money. Then they had to beg for money from the EU. They got money, but not as much as they like. Hence they started protesting, and striking.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What "destructive economic policies" might those be?

The major loss in jobs occurred before Obama became President, so it couldn't be HIS policies that brought the economy down. Since he became President, job losses have turned into job gains.



Obama's policies are generally expansionary. His opposition has advocated austerity policies that have proven to be contractionary in Europe and resulted in worse results than in the Great Depression.



So once again, what "destructive economic policies" are you referring to?
The labor participation rate is the lowest its been in about 30 years yet you say jobs are being created? . Your charts are used by snake oil salesmen who wave a magic wand and say to those out of a job for a long time, you don't count as a person. riiiiiight
 
Old 08-22-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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And all Obama wants to do is entice more illegal immigrants with promises of an easy and very massive amnesty so that the employers will have more plentiful cheap foreign labor.
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