Why hate socialism so much??????????? (inventor, status, poverty, best)
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There are thousands of hidden taxes that are not voluntary but built into the system. Income tax is a killer and money gathered from this source is 80% wasted to ensure the existence of a bureaucracy. If YOU are pro-socialist that's fine ...but extreme socialism such as communism is not fine. My dad lived under the old Soviet government - he said one thing - Those who physically and mentally worked were a small percentage...those who did not work and were government caused the collapse - it became so top heavy the whole thing fell over.
Now the question - Should taxes be voluntary......? - - - YES - but that is impossible...because the state demands their pound of flesh under penalty of imprisonment or prolong personal economic harassment. Jesus Christ payed taxes...not because he believed in paying tribute to the state - but to avoid offending them and to avoid harassment or worse. So the why would be because you are under threat and the why not would be because no man belongs to the state....."Give to Cesar what is Cesar's - give to God what belongs to God"....What does that really mean? If everything including ourselves belongs to God- then in reality nothing belongs to Cesar....or the state. We pay tax because we are under duress and threat...so we pay.
But as long as were being coerced into paying, shouldnt we at least get what we want out of it? Im not advocating a communist system where the workers own the means of production, or some other wild change, only that our government recognize the needs of education and healthcare to the average person.
What about having a smart, healthy populous would be so detrimental to the state or economy?
Anyway, to get back to topic (which is not discussing the pros and cons of socialism), I think the hate is simply ideological as Americans have never had any experience with socialism. If the Russians hated socialism, that would be a different story and understandable. But with Americans it is simply the way they grow up, being told over and over what is good and right, and what is bad and wrong And ultimately they believe it, it is like with religion. Nobody is born a Muslim, but they grow up thinking it is the only right way, so what can you expect...
Do you really have to experience something to know that it is bad?
Anyway, to get back to topic (which is not discussing the pros and cons of socialism), I think the hate is simply ideological as Americans have never had any experience with socialism. If the Russians hated socialism, that would be a different story and understandable. But with Americans it is simply the way they grow up, being told over and over what is good and right, and what is bad and wrong And ultimately they believe it, it is like with religion. Nobody is born a Muslim, but they grow up thinking it is the only right way, so what can you expect...
Agreed. The other issue is the term Socialism hasn't really been defined in this thread. To some it is total gov't control of business, owning property, practically equating it to communism.
The term I prefer is democratic-socialism, which for the most part is what Canada is. Free market economy with solid gov't programs such as universal healthcare. The belief that the country as a whole has some responsibility for it's citizens welfare. Standard vacation laws, paid maternity leave from work etc. Knowing that these laws and programs in the end work for the benefit of all.
The irony in the U.S. is that many who rant against social programs benefit from them eventually, such as medicare. I think when people rant against taxes, what they really want is more responsible spending of their tax dollars. This can be said in Canada too. Without taxes there wouldn't even be the infrastructure to have an internet.
Yes. Else it is just speculation, assumption, etc.
Speculation? I don't need to start eating turds to know they don't taste good and it's likely going to kill me.
Socialism is the antithesis of human nature. It seeks to punish those with abilities and enrich the sloths on society. It is antithetical to nature and nature's laws. Capitalism and free markets most mimic nature and is the most natural course of events. The fastest and most efficient way to achieve an end and the means are the most humane known to the universe.
It doesn't look that way to those sloths, those know-it-all bumps on a log who can tell you all about how great or bad something is but sit there and do nothing for themselves but sulk in their own sorrows.
Speculation? I don't need to start eating turds to know they don't taste good and it's likely going to kill me.
Socialism is the antithesis of human nature. It seeks to punish those with abilities and enrich the sloths on society. It is antithetical to nature and nature's laws. Capitalism and free markets most mimic nature and is the most natural course of events. The fastest and most efficient way to achieve an end and the means are the most humane known to the universe.
It doesn't look that way to those sloths, those know-it-all bumps on a log who can tell you all about how great or bad something is but sit there and do nothing for themselves but sulk in their own sorrows.
Of course I am against nature. I think nature is actually a pretty monstrous thing. If it is culture vs nature, I definitely prefer culture. After all, I don't live in the jungle anymore and I am happy about that. Why would I even try to emulate nature? Nature sucks...
Being an overachiever is not a merit. The person is lucky to have been given the foundations that make his or her achievements possible. Likewise it is not people's fault if they can't keep up with the ambitious, despite trying. After all, there are very few really lazy people. It is very common for ambitious people not to understand that many other people simply don't have that ambition, and that thus they can't really compete.
Agreed. The other issue is the term Socialism hasn't really been defined in this thread. To some it is total gov't control of business, owning property, practically equating it to communism.
The term I prefer is democratic-socialism, which for the most part is what Canada is. Free market economy with solid gov't programs such as universal healthcare. The belief that the country as a whole has some responsibility for it's citizens welfare. Standard vacation laws, paid maternity leave from work etc. Knowing that these laws and programs in the end work for the benefit of all.
The irony in the U.S. is that many who rant against social programs benefit from them eventually, such as medicare. I think when people rant against taxes, what they really want is more responsible spending of their tax dollars. This can be said in Canada too. Without taxes there wouldn't even be the infrastructure to have an internet.
Yes, Americans have a rather odd definition of Socialism. If they really knew what it meant, they would not call European countries Socialist. Again, it is just a keyword they have heard over and over again is something bad, without understanding their own opinion.
I don't mind government at all, but I find it worrying when the people can't decide on what the government does and how it spends taxpayers' money. Like spending 50+ billion dollars a year on secret services while important infrastructure is crumbling.
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And ultimately they believe it, it is like with religion. Nobody is born a Muslim, but they grow up thinking it is the only right way, so what can you expect...