Why hate socialism so much??????????? (leader, world, work, society)
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Anyway, I feel much closer to socialism than to capitalism, always have and always will. If I did not totally boycott elections, I would probably vote for the communist party
I just don't believe in money as a goal, motivation or whatever. When money becomes the motivation, values are bound to go downhill.
why won't you put your money where you mouth is and submit your American passport and decline the citizenship and apply for North Korean refugee status.
I bet you'd be a chosen hero there - much easier life than for the regular N. Korean.
No, they don't. The USSR is a good example. It was a nation behind the iron curtain meaning isolated from the rest of the world economically and it lasted for 70 years.
They had socialism: free healthcare, free daycare, free education, free housing and so forth, of course everything was rationed.
Exactly, it was a world of its own, not a national thing, although the cold war did turn it into a pseudo-national system. Of course the USSR was just a mess of an implementation of socialism, Marx etc. must have turned in their graves
And those things you list as having been free are not an indication of socialism. Just think of those ultra-capitlist gulf states, there all those things are free, really free as people pay very little if any taxes, unlike for instance in Europe, where nothing is free as we pay everything with our taxes.
why won't you put your money where you mouth is and submit your American passport and decline the citizenship and apply for North Korean refugee status.
I bet you'd be a chosen hero there - much easier life than for the regular N. Korean.
1. Because I am not an American.
2. Why do people always assume that someone fond of socialism wants to live in a totalitarian crap hole like North Korea?
1. Because I am not an American.
2. Why do people always assume that someone fond of socialism wants to live in a totalitarian crap hole like North Korea?
Why do people who espouse socialism always assume that it can lead to anything but totalitarianism?
Exactly, it was a world of its own, not a national thing, although the cold war did turn it into a pseudo-national system. Of course the USSR was just a mess of an implementation of socialism, Marx etc. must have turned in their graves
And those things you list as having been free are not an indication of socialism. Just think of those ultra-capitlist gulf states, there all those things are free, really free as people pay very little if any taxes, unlike for instance in Europe, where nothing is free as we pay everything with our taxes.
It WAS a national thing. It was a Russian empire in a different disguise.
Why do people who espouse socialism always assume that it can lead to anything but totalitarianism?
Because it has never been tried in all its details. When you look at Russia for instance, it already was an old country long before, so naturally they did not start from scratch. They already had their societal hierarchy etc. in place.
I guess that is one of the reasons why it has never been implemented successfully. But also because of human nature. As long as there are very ambitious people, those will try to surpass others and become richer, more powerful or whatever. Socialism is for wise people, thus it will remain a theory for quite some time to come. People are just to stupid and bad to really understand its benefits.
Because it has never been tried in all its details. When you look at Russia for instance, it already was an old country long before, so naturally they did not start from scratch. They already had their societal hierarchy etc. in place.
I guess that is one of the reasons why it has never been implemented successfully. But also because of human nature. As long as there are very ambitious people, those will try to surpass others and become richer, more powerful or whatever. Socialism is for wise people, thus it will remain a theory for quite some time to come. People are just to stupid and bad to really understand its benefits.
Socialism is for people who fail to understand human nature in the first place. Human nature endows us with a desire to do well at something and to strive for achievements. In contrast, socialism discourages individual achievement in favor of the society, which is in direct contradiction to human nature. Wise and socialist are two words that never have and never will belong together. While I understand the desire that socialists have for a Utopian world, where they tend to make their mistake is in their definition of Utopia. Your definition of the perfect world will not be the same as anyone else's, although socialist nations always try to convince their citizens that their world is perfect for anyone.
Socialism is for people who fail to understand human nature in the first place. Human nature endows us with a desire to do well at something and to strive for achievements. In contrast, socialism discourages individual achievement in favor of the society, which is in direct contradiction to human nature. Wise and socialist are two words that never have and never will belong together. While I understand the desire that socialists have for a Utopian world, where they tend to make their mistake is in their definition of Utopia. Your definition of the perfect world will not be the same as anyone else's, although socialist nations always try to convince their citizens that their world is perfect for anyone.
Exactly, I basically agree with you and said the same before. We just look at it from a different angle.
Human nature is indeed the biggest problem, and it changes veeery slowly. And yes, as long as not everyone realizes the benefits of one system over the other, there will be trouble. I basically wrote the same thing before. Some people always want to be better than others (which actually they are, there are huge differences in terms of IQ, ambition, etc.), and, what's worse, live accordingly.
To me being wise means being as modest as possible, consuming as little as possible, thinking of future generations instead of my own, etc. - and placing society above the individual, which is probably what many don't like to hear. As the world's population keeps growing and resources dwindling, it is only a matter of time before the question of society vs individuals will become one of life and death.
I just don't see any point in our current system, frankly. Occasionally we do achieve something good, but we are smashing way too much china in the process, which most people seem to ignore.
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