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Old 02-27-2012, 10:33 PM
 
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If you are going to test the poor end, shouldn't you also test those that receive Social Security? Or Medicare? Or Student Loans/grants? Curious how the focus and anger is only pointed towards the poor.
They are going to test someone who gets $200 a month in aid but not test politicians who get $100,000
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:34 PM
 
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Whoever passes the law should also look at the hidden cost of the law. What happens when you take desperate people and make them hungry and destitute. What's the social cost? What's the cost of increased crime? What's the cost of police? What's the cost of incarceration.

We got welfare reform done in the 90's. I don't know why people can't move on to different ***** things.

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Most drugs are out of your system in 72 hours. They have to sober up for a few days, then go right back to the drugs.
Cocaine being one of those drugs that exit right out of the system. You can also false test for heroin by eating, say, a poppy seed muffin or dessert. Yup, you can lose your job for a trip to the cafe at breakfast or in this case lose your welfare benefits.
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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They are going to test someone who gets $200 a month in aid but not test politicians who get $100,000

I say test them both!!!
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Conservatives who say welfare recipients should have to pass a drug test in order to receive government assistance have momentum on their side.
We all knew that was coming, or at least the brightest among us knew that was coming.

For those who are having tremendous difficulty grasping the concept, the concept is very simple: You don't have any money.

I don't know how else to say that, except perhaps to say it in Romanian: N-ai bani; or in German Sie haben kein Geld.

Back to the thing about no money, just to reiterate, you don't have any money. Not only do you not have any money now, but you won't have any money in the future either.

What does that mean to you, the ordinary Jane/John Doe? It means you don't have any money now and you won't have any money in the future and there is no possible way to pay for your private pensions, your State, county and city pensions, your federal government pension, Social Security, Medicare and a host of other social welfare programs, any including any possible attempt to establish a single-payer national health plan.

If every American tomorrow started doing nothing but printing money, you still wouldn't have enough money to pay for all the things that you presently owe.

Any attempt to even try and pay for those things will require both tax increases and cuts to those programs in some form. You will have to tax everyone, rich and poor, and everything in between just to have the hope of being able to pay a small portion of what you owe.

In plain English, we call that "Reality." Get over it already.

Even if you tax the "rich" at 99% you will still have to cut some programs and eliminate others. You all need to be thinking about what it is that you really want and how you want to pay for it.

And, so, yes as States (and the federal government) scramble for money, there will be, um, "intolerance" to certain things, and one of those things is subsidizing people's drug habits, because you, as tax payers, cannot possibly afford to give money to people to buy drugs (and in the coming years that will apply to alcohol and tobacco as well).

Drug testing...

Mircea
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:41 PM
 
Location: California
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I say test them both!!!
Why not test everyone? Every man, woman and child getting any benifits from tax money (fire, police, schools, roads, etc). Constant drug testing...nobody should mind if they have nothing to hide, right?
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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So, Republicans are all for drug testing Wall St for cocaine use?

Nope, poor minorities, despite the billion dollar welfare handout to Wall St.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:33 AM
 
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So, Republicans are all for drug testing Wall St for cocaine use?

Nope, poor minorities, despite the billion dollar welfare handout to Wall St.
corporate masters are off limits
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:37 AM
 
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Conservatives who say welfare recipients should have to pass a drug test in order to receive government assistance have momentum on their side.
The issue has come up in the Republican presidential campaign, with front-runner Mitt Romney saying "it's an excellent idea."


Read more: Drug Tests for Welfare Gain Momentum - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2107637,00.html#ixzz1ne9tpIif - broken link)
This is good news! It's about time. Maybe it'll give any drug-addicted recipients the motivation they need to turn their lives around and tax-payers won't have to save their butt anymore if they don't. What I wonder is why it took so long? People act like it's new news that drugs are involved in poverty's culture quite a bit.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:42 AM
 
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This is good news! It's about time. Maybe it'll give any drug-addicted recipients the motivation they need to turn their lives around and tax-payers won't have to save their butt anymore if they don't. What I wonder is why it took so long? People act like it's new news that drugs are involved in poverty's culture quite a bit.
I just lol'd.

Since the state began testing welfare applicants for drugs in July, about 2 percent have tested positive, preliminary data shows.

Ninety-six percent proved to be drug free -- leaving the state on the hook to reimburse the cost of their tests.
Welfare drug-testing yields 2% positive results | TBO.com


Oops....
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:13 AM
 
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Didn't they try this in Florida and it was a complete disaster?
According to this article it was stopped in October:

Florida's welfare drug testing halted by federal judge - Florida - MiamiHerald.com

Few people failed the tests however nearly 20% of them refused to take it, that's not a small number.

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Nearly 1,600 welfare applicants have refused to take the test since testing began in mid July, but they aren’t required to say why. Thirty-two applicants failed the test, and more than 7,000 have passed, according to the Department of Children and Families. The majority of positives were for marijuana.
You'd also have to look to see if there has been abnormal drop in how many people are applying.
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