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Old 01-02-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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The black family was a rock-solid social institution right up until Johnson's Great Society programs began to pull apart those binds.

There used to be a strong network of black owned insurance companies, newspapers and banks.

Those days, unfortunately, are long gone.

Now we have Lil' Wayne and flash mob robberies.

Dr. Bill Cosby was right...
I agree Bill Cosby was right. I don't know the impact of the Great society legislation. Are you talking about welfare and the fact that black men couldn't live in the household? I think a big part of it was also the end of segregation. When people have only themselves to rely on they have to step up and be there for one another. That was no longer the case after integration.

I don't think it's realistic to believe that the average black American family will ever be like it once was. Two or three generations have passed since the black family was strong and there is a new pattern/mode that black Americans seem to have chosen that is completely inconsistent with social conservatism.

 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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I agree, but the democratic party media plantation masters (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times and National Progressive Radio) would have you believe that only a couple of nutcase African-Americans would think for themselves and switch to the party of Independence (GOP).
LMAO!! "party of Independence (GOP)"...Now that's a good one. Hey, guess what, old white men on occassion switch to the democratic party.. And shhh, not everybody of any race cares what the media says..
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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The black family was a rock-solid social institution right up until Johnson's Great Society programs began to pull apart those binds.

There used to be a strong network of black owned insurance companies, newspapers and banks.

Those days, unfortunately, are long gone.

Now we have Lil' Wayne and flash mob robberies.

Dr. Bill Cosby was right...


Bill Cosby Famous Pound Cake Speech - YouTube
stereotype much? Bill Cosby is wealthy and I bet you don't even have his amount of wealth either.
Blaming Johnson is a cop out and you know it.
Those black institutions were destroyed in the 1960s when blacks starting demanding their Civil Rights and tried to become part of mainstream American society.
They may have had their own network of banks, insurance companies & newspapers but they had to cater to their own which meant that their market was limited based on race and hence their ability to become prosperous was also limited.

Also why do you care about Lil' Wayne? The man is a very successful artist and has millions to show for it.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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I know of many people, mostly white, who have switched from republican to independant. So it balances out.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Black people are not a monolithic group? Who knew..
If a group that votes 95% for the Democrats year in and year out is not a monolith than we need to change the meaning of the word.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: North America
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stereotype much? Bill Cosby is wealthy and I bet you don't even have his amount of wealth either.
Blaming Johnson is a cop out and you know it.
Those black institutions were destroyed in the 1960s when blacks starting demanding their Civil Rights and tried to become part of mainstream American society.
They may have had their own network of banks, insurance companies & newspapers but they had to cater to their own which meant that their market was limited based on race and hence their ability to become prosperous was also limited.

Also why do you care about Lil' Wayne? The man is a very successful artist and has millions to show for it.
What does Cosby or the rapper's wealth have to do with anything?

Sounds like YOUR stereotyping people.

You blame "civil rights". THAT is a cop out.

Madam C.J. Walker was prosperous so you are wrong about that.

And Mr. Weezy is an artist the way George W. Bush was a military fighter pilot.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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stereotype much? Bill Cosby is wealthy and I bet you don't even have his amount of wealth either.
Blaming Johnson is a cop out and you know it.
Those black institutions were destroyed in the 1960s when blacks starting demanding their Civil Rights and tried to become part of mainstream American society.
They may have had their own network of banks, insurance companies & newspapers but they had to cater to their own which meant that their market was limited based on race and hence their ability to become prosperous was also limited.

Also why do you care about Lil' Wayne? The man is a very successful artist and has millions to show for it.
It's a well known fact when the turning point of the Black family occured and the causes. Even most liberal academics after years of denying the obvious have begrudgingly come to the same conclusion. What's your excuse?


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Forty-six years ago, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, then an assistant secretary of labor, famously wrote to President Lyndon Johnson warning that the collapse of black family life would mean rising chaos and crime. Before the days of last year's alarming 31 percent jump in the homicide rate among African-Americans in New York City (even as the number of whites slain last year dropped 27 percent) Moynihan saw the predicament of the African-American male as a vicious cycle.

"There is one unmistakable lesson in American history," Moynihan wrote in his much-talked-about 1965 report, "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action," "a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos."

U.S. Department of Labor -- History -- The Negro Family - The Case for National Action (http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/webid-meynihan.htm - broken link)

Read more: A prophet on urban crime--Dominic Carter - NYPOST.com
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Get all what?

Do you think that in a nation of nearly 40,000,000 people of color these two gentlemen are the only ones to throw off the shackles of democratic party slavery?

Give me a break!
You're trying to make it seem like there is some type of movement among Black people from the Dems to the GOP. There is no such movement taking place and a couple people out of a 40 million is not even statistically significant.

Come Nov 6, 2012, 95% of Black people that go to the polls that day will vote for Barack Obama and his Democrat pals.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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Democratic social programs benefit single mothers. There is no benefit for a man to marry and head a household. In fact he would be a detriment to that end



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There are a lot of people who I've heard say black Americans have very conservative social values. How does that gel with the overwhelming lack of marriage and incredibly high out of wedlock birth rate? Is this based solely on their lack of acceptance of homosexuality?
 
Old 01-02-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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Democratic social programs benefit single mothers. There is no benefit for a man to marry and head a household. In fact he would be a detriment to that end
That is true but one value of social conservatives is personal responsibility. If these women were personally responsible they wouldn't be looking to benefit from democratic social programs (nor would they be single mothers).
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