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Old 04-06-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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What a vile ignorant post- especially the last part.
You will find that most birfers are vile ignorant people... Bigotry and hate have no bounds.

 
Old 04-06-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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It's not that difficult to educate yourself about this topic:

Gender Dysphoria - NHS Choices


Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)
Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.

The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.

However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.
Bleh science schmyance don't you know right wing opinion is more factual than medical facts?
 
Old 04-23-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: USA
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What on earth are you talking about?

Please read the article. This is not about 'surgery'.

The treatment recommended to the mothers by medical specialists who diagnosed the child with GID, is to delay puberty with puberty blocking hormones until the child is old enough to make his own decision.

As about 50% of children with GID attempt suicide during puberty, it would be abusive to NOT delay puberty and give this child some time to grow older and consider the implications before all the irreversible physical changes of puberty kick in.
"As about 50% of children with GID attempt suicide during puberty"
So, this is chemically driven? I thought societal pressures were supposed to be responsible for the the high "attempted sucide" rates of people who have Gender Indentification issues.

The following from the SPRC had some interesting data. The variation in results from different non-biased groups indicates to me that the data unreliable. Basing major decisions that affect lives on unreliable data as if it were fact is is self serving at the best and possbly worse.

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/f...LGBT_Youth.pdf

Last edited by LS Jaun; 04-23-2012 at 11:21 AM..
 
Old 04-23-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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Friggin' wierdos.

That's why you don't allow people with mental issues to have children that aren't their own, natural born.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: By The Beach In Maine
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This is exactly why we need to study and eventually medically treat people with the mental disorder of homosexuality. I'm all for gay couples adopting but not when they allow their mental condition to spread over to adopted children. Hormone blocking at 11 years old to prevent puberty? Come the F on now.
I didn't realize that mental disorders were contagious, especially when it's not their biological son!

REALLY?

As for the rest of it, I really think this kid is too young to be doing this. Let him reach 18 and then do whatever he wants. He's still growing, developing, mentally and physically....I think this is dangerous.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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As for the rest of it, I really think this kid is too young to be doing this. Let him reach 18 and then do whatever he wants. He's still growing, developing, mentally and physically....I think this is dangerous.
What they're doing is the correct thing to do. But pushing back puberty, it gives the child longer to decide which way to go. Letting the child go through natural puberty will make life much more difficult should a sex change be decided upon.

And if the child wants to grow up as a male, they just stop treatment, puberty starts, and no harm is done.

They're just giving the child more time to properly decide.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: By The Beach In Maine
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Hey! I have a great idea! Why don't they just teach him that he's a pervert and that the world hates people like him and maybe we'll all get lucky and he'll do us all a favor and kill himself!

Yeah! Buy him a rifle (under the guise of "hunting") and maybe with enough harrassment from christians he'll stick the rifle in his mouth and pull the trigger!

Yeah!

Jesus would be so proud!

Nok it off. I'm getting sick of you lefties throwing out Christianity and Jesus as your lame assed argument every time. Stop it. If you don't believe in the Bible or God or Jesus, keep your pie hole shut about them. If you are as enlightened as you claim to be, come up with something a) clever b) original and c) not so damn childish.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: By The Beach In Maine
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What they're doing is the correct thing to do. But pushing back puberty, it gives the child longer to decide which way to go. Letting the child go through natural puberty will make life much more difficult should a sex change be decided upon.

And if the child wants to grow up as a male, they just stop treatment, puberty starts, and no harm is done.

They're just giving the child more time to properly decide.
You have more faith than I do. I tend to be skeptical with chemicals introduced in to kids' bodies. Sure, some of them fight off illnesses and that's great but I'm still very skeptical of chemicals in to kids' bodies. It's not like this is done constantly and there's been a couple of decades of research on the outcome.....ie, long term.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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You have more faith than I do. I tend to be skeptical with chemicals introduced in to kid's bodies. Sure, some of them fight off illnesses and that's great but I'm still very skeptical of chemicals in to kid's bodies. It's not like this is done constantly and there's been a couple of decades of research on the outcome.....
I'm skeptical about the repercussions to the body as well. However, the decision is between the child, the parents, and the doctors involved. As well it should be. And if it's been agreed upon that the side effects are worth the chance to give the child more time to decide the proper course of action, then who am I to intervene?

It's not child abuse. The child is not in any serious danger by doing this.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: USA
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I'm skeptical about the repercussions to the body as well. However, the decision is between the child, the parents, and the doctors involved. As well it should be. And if it's been agreed upon that the side effects are worth the chance to give the child more time to decide the proper course of action, then who am I to intervene?

It's not child abuse. The child is not in any serious danger by doing this.
"I'm skeptical about the repercussions to the body as well." Does not agree with "The child is not in any serious danger by doing this"
Pot meet kettle.
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