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Old 09-12-2011, 09:34 AM
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For years we all knew there were tons of really stupid people out there but we had no way of knowing what they were thinking. Now thanks to the internet and in particular the politics and conspiracy forum they all seem to have gathered here to spread their words of wisdom to the rest of the population.

Thank you very much for making this place not so boring, your words of wisdom have enlightened the rest of us.

BTW you sure are a scary group of lunatics.

 
Old 09-12-2011, 09:36 AM
 
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seismic data says otherwise

sorry you lose
No... your tortured state of denial is quite evident at this point...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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LOL, bobman, I had this same conversation with Rainman here a few pages back. It's futile. And no, he doesn't understand, or rather, does not want to understand, what "into it's own footprint" means, as you can see by his response.
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Yes... It's own footprint means straight down... in 7 seconds... That means every single support column would have to fail simultaneously... in other words... controlled demolition...

We can but try !!

Into it's own footprint means that the debris from the collapse is contained in an area equivalent to the area occupied by the building when it was intact.
In other words, the debris field is contained

Watch these videos.
Incidentally, note the sound of the explosions, conspicuous by their absence in all WTC footage.

They show buildings falling into their own footprints


Blowdown- Stadium Demolition - YouTube


Agreed, the building does appear in the videos to fall straigh down, however, it did not.
And, although the collapse looks similar to the demolitions, the buildings would behave in the same way whether it be dynamite, or fire which caused the base to fail. With no base, there is no support.

Build a tower with beer cans and pull the bottom one out, they all fall down, don't they.
 
Old 09-12-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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We can but try !!

Into it's own footprint means that the debris from the collapse is contained in an area equivalent to the area occupied by the building when it was intact.
In other words, the debris field is contained

Watch these videos.
Incidentally, note the sound of the explosions, conspicuous by their absence in all WTC footage.

They show buildings falling into their own footprints


Blowdown- Stadium Demolition - YouTube


Agreed, the building does appear in the videos to fall straigh down, however, it did not.
And, although the collapse looks similar to the demolitions, the buildings would behave in the same way whether it be dynamite, or fire which caused the base to fail. With no base, there is no support.

Build a tower with beer cans and pull the bottom one out, they all fall down, don't they.
A skyscaper and a stadium are two totally different structures... an incorrect comparison...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 10:51 AM
 
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Maybe so, but I only use this video to illustrate "into their own footprint", rather than implying that the buildings behaved in the same way.

Your point is ?


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A skyscaper and a stadium are two totally different structures... an incorrect comparison...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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Maybe so, but I only use this video to illustrate "into their own footprint", rather than implying that the buildings behaved in the same way.

Your point is ?
A steel and concrete skyscraper cannot possibly fall in 7 seconds by gravity alone... there must be outside factors involved...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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A steel and concrete skyscraper cannot possibly fall in 7 seconds by gravity alone... there must be outside factors involved...
1. it was 18 seconds
2. it was an uncontrolled fire for over 7 hours
3. it was onTOP of a coned sub station
4. it had many FUEL tanks and LP gas running through it

Why is it when the twoofers talk about bld7, people never:

1. Admit that the building got BADLY damaged when the towers fell:

a) the entire front fascia was sheared off

b) a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)




2. Admit that there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building. (this article PROVES the substation and the new one rebuilt in May04,, It also gives a good description of the transformers)

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation - GOVERNOR PATAKI JOINS CON EDISON TO MARK OPENING OF ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AT 7 WORLD TRADE CENTER

3. Admit that the building had 20 or more back up generators (4 on the 23rd floor, 3 on the 7th floor, 14 on the 5th floor, 1 on the 8th floor w/fuel tank, 4 on the 46th floor, 1 on the 9th floor)(Proves the FACT of many things that could have BLOWN up within the building supporting the statements of "heard explosions")

4. Admit that the building had 22 main Transformers(which can explode if heated(full of oil))(some of them 2 stories tall) and 2 dry transformers (10 1st floor, 12 5th floor, 2 7th floor)(proves the FACT of more things that could have blown up)

5. Admit that the Fuel source for those generators was stored in the building and equaled 18 tankers (18,000 gallons on the 2nd floor, and 48,000 in the lower level, 300 gallons on the 23rd floor, 300 gallons on the 5th floor, 100 gallons on the 9th floor, 300 gallons on the 7th floor)(proves the FACT of a major fuel source, along with all the office furnature)

6. Admit the there was LP gas lines running throughout the building

7. Admit that the Penthouse fell FIRST

8. Admit that the building did NOT fall symmetrically it collapsed from the center(the north wall even covered the debris

9. Admit that it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

10. Admit that the FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

A) I will give just two,,,,"We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors." –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...HIC/9110081.PD (broken link)

b). The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110217.PDF (broken link)

11. Admit that there was a problem with the water supply(NO WATER)

12 the only mention "3 buildings" but not the other 10 buildings were destroyed that day in NYC

13. Admit that to wire a building.:

.......a) would take months.

.......b) beams would HAVE to be cut ,making the building NOT safe to go into for months prior to the collapse(proves that there is not way the building could have been imploded since monday sept 10 was a WORK DAY)

.......c) explosives don't like fire and heat

........d) that the term "pull" is NOT used in Explosive demos
 
Old 09-12-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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I dread to ask, but why not ?


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A steel and concrete skyscraper cannot possibly fall in 7 seconds by gravity alone... there must be outside factors involved...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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I dread to ask, but why not ?
Gravity alone cannot accomplish this...

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Yes... It's own footprint means straight down... in 7 seconds... That means every single support column would have to fail simultaneously... in other words... controlled demolition...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Please provide some data to back up your claim.

Oh, and don't forget to show your workings.

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Gravity alone cannot accomplish this...
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