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Old 09-01-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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I would thnik that a federal judge issued a warrant. From my understanding they may have broken the law by iporting wood that is endanger,if that is the law then it shoud be enforced.have a disagreement then call your congressmen and senatorsto change the law. The judge and law enforcement are doing their jobs.This pickign and choose what laws to enforce by politcal beliefs should stop:IMO,
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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When will that be? They last raid they conducted was a year and nine months ago, and they still have not filed any charges against Gibson.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the CITES Treaty or the Lacy Act, it is political payback against Gibson for supporting Republicans. Martin, Gibson's competitor is a big Democrat supporter and gets their ebony and rosewood from the exact same source as Gibson, but is immune from investigation.

If the federal government cannot come up with a single charge against Gibson in almost two years of "investigation," they need to return the property they seized from Gibson. The simple reality is that there is no investigation and there never was, this is obviously political payback.
Not every incident of a business being caught doing something illegal is an obama conspiracy.

If Martin imported rosewood pieces 6mm thick or less from India, they didn't break the law.

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The CITES Treaty serves that purpose. Congress does not have the constitutional authority require the enforcement of laws from other nations unless those laws are part of a ratified treaty. Since the Lacy Act is a federal statute, and not a ratified treaty, it exceeds Congress' constitutional authority and must be abolished.
CITES is a framework not a law itself. And I don't know where you studied the Constitution, but it doesn't prohibit the Lacey Act.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Because the government of Madagascar has stated, in writing, that the sale to Gibson was perfectly legal under Madagascar law.
Source for this Glitch?
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Not every incident of a business being caught doing something illegal is an obama conspiracy.

If Martin imported rosewood pieces 6mm thick or less from India, they didn't break the law.
Even if Martin did import pieces thicker than 6mm from India, they would never be investigated, since they are Democrat supporters. Funny how only Republican supporting businesses are targeted by this adminstration and no other.

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CITES is a framework not a law itself. And I don't know where you studied the Constitution, but it doesn't prohibit the Lacey Act.
I do not know where you studied the US Constitution, but ratified treaties are equal in weight under the law as the US Constitution itself.

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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Source: Article VI, Clause 2 of the US Constitution
Furthermore, the Fourteenth Amendment establishes the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, which does not extend beyond the borders of the US. The Lacy Act is unconstitutional since the amended version extends jurisdiction to every law ever enacted anywhere on the planet. Obviously exceeding Congress' constitutional authority. A simple Signing Statement from the President is all that would be required to terminate the unconstitutional Lacy Act, which obviously will not happen under the current moron-in-chief.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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They are being prosecuted under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law. If we didn't have something like the Lacey Act we couldn't prevent threatened and endangered species from being wiped out. You can be prosecuted under the Lacey Act for any illegal taking of a species, whether it was illegally taken in a state or territory or abroad, when it involves interstate commerce.
What about Michelle Obama she purchased a Gibson..and smuggled it out of the country in 2009.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Maine
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What about Michelle Obama she purchased a Gibson..and smuggled it out of the country in 2009.
I don't know where you came up with this "Smuggled it out of the country" crap. Really, .... get a grip.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I don't know where you came up with this "Smuggled it out of the country" crap. Really, .... get a grip.
If it is determined the guitar Michelle Obama purchased in 2009 contained contraband...then it is considered smuggling when Michelle Obama purchased and transported the guitar to Europe.

If Gibson is charged with a crime..why not Michelle Obama. If Gibsons is raided...why not the White House?
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Maine
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If it is determined the guitar Michelle Obama purchased in 2009 contained contraband...then it is considered smuggling when Michelle Obama purchased and transported the guitar to Europe.
Keep reaching, as this has all been thoroughly hashed out in your other thread, you must already realize it's crap. Just another "dig and look for something to say about the President and/or First Lady" bit of garbage. The stuff you post has no credibility.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:31 PM
 
Location: NJ
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InformedConsent:"Actually, they aren't being prosecuted, just bullied into moving their jobs overseas. "

Let them. I live near their corp hq, know many in mgmt there, interviewed there, delighted not to work there. Both from sources and simply following their employment needs, their corp hq turnover rate is way higher than most..sign of a badly run org.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Keep reaching, as this has all been thoroughly hashed out in your other thread, you must already realize it's crap. Just another "dig and look for something to say about the President and/or First Lady" bit of garbage. The stuff you post has no credibility.
Lets seize the guitar Michelle Obama purchased...take a look..does it contain contraband...the Gibson CEO stated the guitar Michelle purchased is no different than the guitars seized by the Justice Department.
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